Broncos select DL McTelvin Agim in 3rd round of NFL Draft

The Broncos selected defensive lineman McTelvin Agim in the third round of the NFL Draft.

With the 95th overall pick in the third round of the 2020 NFL Draft, the Denver Broncos selected Arkansas defensive lineman McTelvin Agim.

Agim (6-3, 309 pounds) ran a 40-yard dash in 4.98 seconds and bench-pressed 225 pounds 25 times at the combine earlier this offseason. NFL.com’s Lance Zierlein described Agim as a prospect who “has snap quickness to become a better one-gap penetrator and rush talent to build upon if he can attack with a better plan and more urgency.”

During his four years at Arkansas, Agim totaled 140 tackles — including 31 tackles for losses — and 14.5 sacks. He also battled down four passes, recovered two fumbles and forced six fumbles.

Agim will join a Broncos defensive line rotation that already includes Jurrell Casey, Mike Purcell, Shelby Harris, DeMarcus Walker and Dre’Mont Jones. Casey, Purcell and Harris will likely serve as the starters in Denver’s base 3-4 look but Walker, Jones and Agim should get plenty of snaps in 2020.

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10 players the Lions should consider on Day 2 of the draft

Identifying 10 players the Detroit Lions should consider selecting on Day 2 of the 2020 NFL Draft.

The Detroit Lions filled a very important role on Day 1 of the 2020 NFL Draft, selecting corner Jeff Okudah in the first round, but Day 2 brings a whole new crop of players and the Lions hold three picks in the next two rounds.

The Lions will begin the day with picks No. 35, 67, and 85, and while there could be some trade movement, they should still be able to land a few key players.

Here are 10 options — five who were with the Lions at the Senior Bowl — who should be considered on Day 2.

A.J. Epenesa, EDGE, Iowa

The Lions have a need at EDGE rusher and Epenesa is the perfect fit for the Lions scheme. In my final 7-round mock draft, Epenesa was my choice at pick No. 35 and a player I still believe to be a Top-10 player on the Lions draft board.

Denzel Mims, WR, Baylor

Senior Bowl

If it’s not Epenesa, Mims’ ability to drastically improve the Lions offense would make him incredibly tempting in the second round. At 6-3, 207, with 4.38 speed, Mims is an ideal vertical threat with starter upside as a rookie.

Zach Baun, LB, Wisconsin

Senior Bowl

A hybrid linebacker who fits the mold of what the Lions have recently targeted in their second-level defenders. He would play primarily off-the-ball but has the ability to situationally pass-rush from the JACK linebacker spot.

Josh Uche, JACK/LB, Michigan

Senior Bowl

Uche is also a hybrid linebacker but his insane speed off the edge would keep him pass-rushing often, while also offering the ability to drop into coverage. Both Uche and Baun would fit in like perfect puzzle pieces with the Lions linebackers and would allow them to disguise the defense’s intentions.

Josh Jones, OT, Houston

Senior Bowl

Jones is an athletic tackle who could line up on the right side as a rookie and his ability to be a left tackle would give the Lions insurance if they move on from Taylor Decker in 2021.

RBs J.K. Dobbins (OSU) and Jonathan Taylor (Wisc)

Pick your flavor here as both backs would fit in nicely in the Lions scheme. I have Dobbins slightly ahead of Taylor on my tiered Lions draft board, but if the Lions decide to upgrade their backfield, it’s hard to argue with either player.

Laviska Shenault, WR, Colorado

A first-round talent who likely dropped to Day 2 because of injuries. He has a versatile skill set and plays physical, creating yards after catch (YAC) with power and athleticism.

K.J. Hamler, WR, Penn State

Hamler is a YAC machine who fits the mold of a pure slot receiver, similar to what the Lions have in Danny Amendola. The Lions met with Hamler at the Combine and if they are looking for an explosive playmaker, he would be high on their list.

Terrell Lewis, EDGE, Alabama

Lewis is another first-round talent who has a lengthy injury history that is surely going to impact where he gets selected. At 6-5, 262 pounds and 33.88″ arms, Lewis is a prototype player in coach Matt Patricia’s defensive scheme.

Bradlee Anae, EDGE, Utah

Senior Bowl

Anae is likely more in play in the third round, but there is no doubt that Lions’ coaches loved what they saw from him at the Senior Bowl. Anae is a high effort pass rusher who lives off his first step as we saw in Mobile when he registered three sacks:

Bonus names to keep in mind for Round 3

In my final 7-round mock draft, my Lions picks in the third round were Robert Hunt (RT/G, Louisiana) and McTelvin Agim (DT, Arkansas), and are names Lions fans should keep in the back of their minds.

Lions Wire’s final Lions 7-round mock draft

Editor Erik Schlitt’s is taking the helm for Lions Wire’s final Detroit Lions 7-round mock draft of the offseason.

Editor Erik Schlitt’s is taking the helm for Lions Wire’s final Detroit Lions 7-round mock draft of the offseason.

Draft day trades are common but wildly unpredictable, therefore, this exercise focuses only on picking prospects in the draft slots the Lions currently hold.

Round 1, pick 3, Jeff Okudah, CB, OSU

6-1, 205, 32.63″ arm length, burst rate: 137.2 (#1 for CB in class) 

It’s been my opinion all offseason that the Lions want to walk out of Day 1 with either Chase Young or Okudah. With Young likely being selected at pick No. 2 overall, the Lions will surely listen to trade offers for the No. 3 pick, but at the end of the day, they’ll be happy to land their guy.

2.35, A.J. Epenesa, EDGE, Iowa

6-5, 275, 34.5″ arm length, can play DDE and 3T

Epenesa’s stock has been falling since the Combine, but as far as the Lions are concerned, he’s still likely a Top-10 player on their draft board. Epenesa is a perfect scheme fit, can rotate with Trey Flowers and Romeo Okwara at down defensive end, as well as inside at the 3-technique with Da’Shawn Hand and Nick Williams — giving the entire defensive line an immediate boost.

3.67, Robert Hunt, RT/G, Louisiana

6-5, 323, 33.5″ arm length, 28 starts at RT, 22 at LG, 2 at LT

A true road grader who was a featured blocker in the Cajuns run-heavy scheme, Hunt has the ability to step in at either tackle of guard — though he is projected to have more success inside. Putting him next to Hal Vaitai would give the Lions a pair of 6-5, 320+ pound position flexible offensive lineman who excel at run blocking, regardless of who plays where on the right side.

3.85, McTelvin Agim, IDL, Arkansas

6-3, 309, 33.5″ arm length, 1-year starter at 3T, 3-year starter at DE

Agim has been my sleeper for a while now and nothing has changed my mind to move him off this spot. An experienced 2-gapper who excels against the run, possesses several pass-rushing moves, is aggressive with his hands, understands how to create leverage with his length, was a team captain, and comes from the Arkansas’ defensive line pipeline.

4.109, Van Jefferson, WR, Florida

6-1.5, 200, 32.75″ arm length, elite route technician 

The son of former Lions’ wide receiver and wide receiver’s coach Shawn Jefferson, Van Jefferson learned the nuances of running routes at a young age. Capable of lining up as a WR-X (Marvin Jones Jr.’s spot) and inside as a Big Slot receiver, Jefferson could be the Lions WR4 in year one and take over a starting role in 2021.

5.149, Braden Mann, P, TAMU

6-0, 198, 48.9 yards per punt average, Ray Guy award winner 

As I mentioned in my 10 things Lions fans need to brace for in the 2020 NFL Draft, this is the sweet spot to grab the best specialist on the board. Mann has a powerful leg, can handle punts and kickoffs, understands how to control his power by alternating between kicking for distance, angling directions, and putting air under the ball so he doesn’t outkick his coverage. His ability to drop punts inside the 20 is a thing of beauty.

5.166, Anfernee Jennings, JACK, Alabama

6-2, 256, 32.88″ arm length, double-digit TFL each of last 2 seasons

Jennings has a quality first step, but his pass rush will struggle if he doesn’t win early. He understands how to properly use his hands, routinely locates/attacks the ball, is an elite run defender, and sets the edge with consistency/power. His 26.5 tackles for loss and 15.5 sacks over the last two seasons speaks to his ability to get into the backfield and make plays.

6.182, Geno Stone, S, Iowa

5-10.5, 203, 29.25″ arm length, can play single-high and in the slot

Stone is s a bit undersized and falls short of the Lions’ preferred level of athleticism, but he is intelligent, highly instinctive, positionally versatile, and rarely makes mistakes. Stone has the potential to be a regular contributor on special teams and a top-end reserve at safety, likely earning a role as a fourth or fifth safety as a rookie.

7.235, Michael Warren, RB, Cincinnati

5-9, 226, physical runner who will thrive in an inside-zone scheme

Warren hasn’t got a lot of attention in the Lions draft community but he is a terrific fit for the Lions scheme as he is a physical runner who can also contribute in the passing game. On film, Warren lacks the explosive traits of the Lions other backs — and he didn’t test at the Combine — but he has terrific contact balance, is decisive in the hole, wins in short-yardage situations, and churns out yards with toughness. His success in the NFL will likely come as part of a running back by committee approach and would fit in as a fourth running back on the Lions roster.

Texans 2020 NFL draft target: Arkansas DL McTelvin Agim

If the Houston Texans are looking for a sleeper pick to help their defensive line, former Arkansas Razorbacks DL McTelvin Agim could be the answer.

The Houston Texans need to beef up their defensive line.

Three-time NFL Defensive Player of the Year J.J. Watt will be 31 years old when Week 1 kicks off in September, and the unit must replenish its lost talent with defensive tackle D.J. Reader now with the Cincinnati Bengals.

If the Texans want to find a sleeper, in the same way they landed Texas defensive end Charles Omenihu in the fifth round last year, then there is no one better than former Arkansas Razorbacks defensive lineman McTelvin Agim.

The Texarkana, Texas, native had a workout lined up with the Texans prior to the cancellation of private workouts and facility visits. Though the Razorbacks were bottom feeders in the SEC West under Chad Morris in Agim’s final two seasons, Agim impressed scouts at the East-West Shrine Game, the Senior Bowl, and the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis.

Mark Schofield from the Touchdown Wire believes Agim can be a penetrating defensive tackle in the NFL.

What gives Agim the potential to stick at the next level is his explosiveness combined with what he brings to the table as a penetrating defensive tackle. Turn on any one of his games and you will see an impressive first step, with the quickness to penetrate gaps off the snap and give offensive lines immediate trouble. You will also see an array of pass rushing moves, as he put on film against Alabama:

Bear in mind, this came in the second half of a blowout loss to the Crimson Tide, and against Alabama’s starting offensive line. Agim uses a swat to rip combination that scouts would love to see from an edge defender, let alone an interior defensive lineman.

Houston’s day three picks include a fourth-rounder (111th overall), a fifth-rounder (171st overall), and three seventh-rounders (240th, 248th, 250th). If the Texans can get Agim in day three, preferably in the fifth round or later, he could develop into another solid, young defensive lineman.

Touchdown Wire’s top sleepers in the 2020 NFL Draft

You know the names at the top. Joe Burrow. Tua Tagovailoa. But the NFL Draft has seven rounds. Who are the top sleepers for the 2020 Draft?

The hay, as they say, is in the barn.

Here at Touchdown Wire, we have made you as ready as possible for the start of the 2020 NFL Draft. We have broken down our top 11 at each position. We have put together our top 50 overall players, along with a list of comparisons for each player, to get you ready for Thursday night. We have assembled various film breakdowns, watched tape with prospects, and given you a variety of mock drafts to game out various scenarios.

But the work goes on, and the dream never dies.

By “the dream,” we mean the NFL hopes for players that might not be included in those previous pieces. Players that might not have cracked a top 11 at their position. Players that might not break into a top fifty list, and players that might have to wait until Friday or even Saturday to see how their NFL story begins.

Part of the reason that people love sports is the underdog story. Rocky. Rudy. Miracle. Movies that capture our attention are rooted in pulling for the longshot. Before they became the Evil Empire, the New England Patriots were the crappy underdog, led by a sixth-round sleeper of a quarterback, taking on the Greatest Show on Turf. It is why people love March Madness, as it taps into our love of Cinderella stories, and why we still get choked up when Gene Hackman says his team is on the floor.

In that spirit, here are some of the best sleepers in this draft class. Underdogs that might not hear their name called until late on Saturday, but players that have both NFL dreams, and NFL potential.

Logan Wilson, LB, Wyoming

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Logan Wilson cracked Touchdown Wire’s list of the top 11 linebackers, but as we get closer and closer to the draft the Wyoming defender might be moving even higher on draft boards. Wilson received just one scholarship offer coming out of Natrona County High School in Wyoming, despite being a two-time All-State performer at both defensive back and wide receiver. But after a redshirt year, Wilson was slotted into Wyoming’s defense as a linebacker, and never looked back. Over his four years on campus he played 3,618 snaps, which is almost a Cal Ripkenesque number in today’s college game.

On the field, Wilson is a smart, experienced and patient linebacker who is ready to take on the responsibilities asked of him in an NFL defense. Wilson is a sure tackler between the tackles in the run game, moves well as a blitzer and handles his coverage responsibilities well. Over his career he tallied ten interceptions, an impressive number for any college linebacker. Given the need to stop the pass, linebackers who can both cover and still stop the run are a desired commodity, and Wilson checks both of those boxes.

Beyond that, Wilson checks some of the throwback desirables at the position. If you are a coach or a general manager that loves seeing a linebacker standup a lead blocker in the hole, shed him at the point of attack and make the tackle, then Wilson is going to get you excited.

But he can also contribute plays like this, one of the more amazing moments from the 2017 college football season:

Wilson has the coverage chops and experience to handle the pass defense aspects of the position, but the nose for the football, along with the stack and shed requirements, that will allow him to play on both first and second downs in the league. Perhaps it is no surprise that in Bob McGinn’s pre-draft piece on the linebackers (his pre-draft series is must-read every year) a scout told him that Wilson is a starter with a chance to play every snap given his experience.

Do not sleep on the kid from Wyoming.

Colts’ final 7-round mock draft projections with trades

A final mock before the draft.

The week is finally here as the Indianapolis Colts put the finishing touches on their prep for the 2020 NFL draft, which is set to begin Thursday night.

Though the Colts won’t be on the clock until Friday unless they make a move up, this week will be all about cleaning everything up and making the final touches before the biggest event of the offseason arrives. The same goes for us as well be making our final predictions for the draft.

Without using a simulator, just good old fashioned projections, here is our final seven-round mock draft for the Colts in the 2020 draft:

Round 2 | Round 3 | Round 4 | Round 5 | Round 6 | Class Overview

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Round 2

*Trade the No. 34 pick to the Vikings for Nos. 58 and 89*

Chris Ballard mentioned in his pre-draft conference call that he wants to add more picks. He wasn’t asked about it but still said it unprompted. As he has done in every draft, Ballard will move around and add some picks. Here, the Colts are able to move back later in the second round but add an extra third-round pick. It makes it easier to move this far back having the No. 44 pick already.

No. 44 | Michael Pittman Jr. | WR | USC

After trading back and adding an extra third, the Colts are likely to use one of their second-round picks on a wide receiver. Pittman Jr. is the perfect prospect for the Colts given his size, length and contested-catch ability on the boundary. He wins with physicality and has shown a knack for beating press coverage. He won’t win with pure speed, but he gets enough separation to be a threat downfield and on the intermediate routes as a possession receiver.

With Philip Rivers under center, Pittman Jr. would quickly become a favorite target. Addin that Pittman Jr. understands the NFL life from his father and was a senior captain with the Trojans, this pick makes too much sense.

No. 58 (from MIN) | Josh Uche | EDGE | Michigan

This spot is really tough because there are so many options. They could add a quarterback here or even an offensive tackle but given Ballard’s propensity for adding to the defensive line, I think we see him select and edge piece earlier than expected. With Uche, Ballard would be drafting another strong athlete with the versatility to work on the edge or as a SAM backer.

While he might be a little undersized to be a full-time edge rusher, Uche wins with speed, length and incredible bend when running the arc. He’s twitchy and rangy but has to develop his pass-rushing plan and overall instincts at the position. Seeing that he doesn’t have to start right away, Uche can hone his crafts and become a strong future piece of the front seven while giving the Colts a bendy, speedy rush on sub-packages to start out.

10 things Lions fans need to brace for in the 2020 NFL Draft

10 brace worthy NFL Draft scenarios involving the Detroit Lions that fans need to prepare themselves for.

For months now, Detroit Lions fans have been preparing themselves for the 2020 NFL Draft. Many have done mock drafts, conducted trade down scenarios, and fallen in love with prospects.

While speculating how the Lions can maximize their value can be a fun exercise, it’s important to remember, making trades in real life is significantly more challenging than through a mock draft machine.

The same is true with players perceived value. Often draft sites and national analysts will hype up players that fans get excited about, but they don’t fit the Lions scheme and will, therefore, be much lower on the Lions draft board. The opposite of this is also true, players who fans haven’t heard of can be very high on the Lions board because of how perfectly they fit the scheme — hello, Jahlani Tavai.

So, with less than a week before this year’s NFL Draft, allow me to throw some cold water on Lions’ fan’s expectations and present 10 potential scenarios they need to brace themselves for.

Lions stay put at pick No. 3, draft CB Jeff Okudah

I still firmly believe the Lions top priority is walking out of this draft with either Chase Young or Okudah. If they don’t get an offer where they feel they can make that happen, Bob Quinn has shown he is willing to stay put and take his guy.

If the Lions do trade down… it may be for DT Derrick Brown

Brown isn’t an elite athlete, but he hits the athletic benchmarks for the Lions and fits the scheme like a glove. If the Lions do trade down, it’ll likely be because they’re a lot higher on Brown that most expect and would be comfortable landing him and picks over just Okudah.

Expect a team to trade ahead of the Lions to take a coveted player away from them

Quinn has often been able to sniff out these types of moves in the past, but this year the circumstances are different. With the Lions picking third on each day of the draft, and current COVID-19 pandemic shifting the way NFL teams do business, anticipate teams to try to execute trades at the top of the draft during the downtimes in between rounds one and two, as well as, three and four.

If a team like the Bengals want to move out of pick No. 33 or No. 107 to gain more draft capital, the Lions could get jumped for a player they covet.

Lions trade up on Day 2 to get their guy

In the past two drafts, Quinn has traded up twice — in 2018 to grab Kerryon Johnson and in 2019 for Will Harris — and both times it happened on Day 2. Quinn has shown if he has a target on his board that he feels the team needs to secure, he is willing to make moves in order to make that happen.

Lions draft DT McTelvin Agim in the third round

Every year, Quinn surprises Lions fans with a pick on Day 2 that they know little about — Kenny Golladay, Tracy Walker, and Jahlani Tavai are prime examples. This year, if you don’t want to be surprised, the name to know is Arkansas’ defensive tackle McTelvin Agim. An intelligent 2-gapper, Agim has four years starting experience at defensive end and tackle, was a captain in 2019, checks every athletic box the Lions are looking for, can pass rush, set the edge, and is an excellent run stuffer.

If the Lions draft an offensive lineman on Day 2 … it will probably be a tackle

The Lions have a glaring need at right guard or tackle, but don’t be surprised if the Lions draft an offensive tackle first.

The Lions value tackles considerably higher than guards, left tackle Taylor Decker is in a contract year, and if the Lions want a player capable of starting at left tackle in 2021, they’ll need to use a Top-100 pick to acquire that level of prospect.

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Don’t be surprised if the Lions wait until Day 3 to draft a guard

This will be unpopular but the Lions don’t appear to put a premium at the position. The sweet spot for interior offensive linemen appears to be in the late third or early fourth rounds and the Lions may prioritize other positions first, hoping a quality player is there at pick No. 109 in the fourth round.

The Lions may wait until Day 3 to draft an EDGE

Another decision that will be wildly unpopular but would line up with how the Lions have addressed the position in the past. In Quinn’s four years drafting for the Lions, he has taken four EDGE rushers, two in the sixth round, one in the seventh, and Austin Bryant in the fourth round last draft.

Lions probably won’t draft a RB before the 5th round… if at all

There is a solid argument for targeting one of the elite running backs early in this draft, but with the investment the Lions already have at the position, it’s more likely they target a back mid-Day 3 to work within the rotation.

Pick No. 149 is likely where the Lions draft a punter

Taking a kicking specialist may seem like a luxury, but for a team that is targeting a top option, they will have to enter the draft prepared to spend.

Last season the first specialist came off the board, punter Matt Wishnowsky, at pick No. 110 (49ers), followed soon after by kicker Matt Gay at pick No. 145 (Tampa Bay) and two more specialists in the fifth round.

In 2018,  the Seahawks snagged punter Michael Dickenson at pick No. 149 — the exact pick the Lions hold — followed by three more specialists in the fifth round and two more in the seventh round.

In 2017, the Bengals drafted kicker Jake Elliot at pick No. 153, followed by two more kickers in the seventh round.

The pattern is pretty clear. If the Lions have their sites set on the top punter on the board — most likely Braden Mann (TAMU) — they should be prepared to use pick No. 149 to land him.

Scouting breakdown: The 11 best interior defensive linemen in the 2020 NFL draft

Javon Kinlaw and Derrick Brown are certainly names to know, but who are the other top interior defensive linemen in the 2020 NFL Draft?

Up next in Touchdown Wire’s position-by-position look at the top prospects in the 2020 NFL Draft is the interior defensive line. While EDGE players get the bulk of attention during draft season, this year’s interior DL class has some impressive players who are getting more first round buzz than some of the outside pass rushers. Both Javon Kinlaw and Derrick Brown are considered to be first-round locks, and some view players like Jordan Elliott and Ross Blacklock to be potential early picks as well. How does this group stack up?

1. Javon Kinlaw, DL, South Carolina

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Height: 6’6″ Weight: 302
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Bio: Javon Kinlaw chose the junior college route coming out of Goose Creek High School in South Carolina, enrolling at Jones County Junior College in Ellisville, Mississippi. During the 2016 season, he was a standout at defensive tackle, who was named a second-team All-America selection, a first-team All-Region 23 selection, and the MACJC South Division’s Most Valuable Defensive Lineman when he tallied 26 tackles (including 8.5 for a loss) and 4.5 sacks.

He committed to South Carolina for the 2017, and made 10 starts his first year on campus. He took on an increased role for the Gamecocks over the past two seasons, and had a career-year as a senior in 2019. He posted seven sacks and 26 quarterback hurries. Kinlaw rode that production to a spot in Mobile for the Senior Bowl, where it was apparently early on that he was arguably the best non-quarterback in attendance.

Stat to Know: According to charting data, Kinlaw was second among interior defensive lineman with a pass-rush win rate of 18.1%.

Strengths: Kinlaw explodes off the snap. Simply turn on South Carolina’s game against Alabama and you will see his burst off the line from the opening play of the game. He plays with incredible pad level, but it is his first step that attacks gaps and threatens the structural integrity of the offensive line from the second plays begin. Kinlaw commands double-team blocks in the run game, and constantly frees up those around him to flow to the football and make plays. He also brings incredible lateral agility to the table, and is going to be a problem against zone running plays, and you can imagine how a creative defensive coordinator could employ him in the stunt and twist game.

As a pass rusher, his ability to convert strength to power as well as his bull rush move might be unparalleled in this class. His hands are constantly moving, forcing blockers to counter and second-guess their own actions. Proponents of the concept that “pressure equals production” are going to enjoy seeing plays like this against North Carolina:

If your interior defensive lineman is going to get double-teamed when the QB drops to pass, you’ll love seeing him fight through the first blocker with violent hands, spin into the second blocker and manage to drive him backward – initially with his back – and still get the QB to move off his spot. Leading to a big sack from the defensive end, left isolated with the right tackle. Pressure equals production.

Weaknesses: Kinlaw often loses track of the play and gets caught peeking into the backfield, which leads to him missing some misdirection plays and running away from the football. He has tremendous hands, but relies on his bull rush too much as a pass rusher. You can see evidence – such as in the above video – of him having other options in his tool kit as a pass rusher but he relies on the bull rush far too much to be a complete player right now.

Conclusion: Kinlaw’s length and size cannot be taught, nor can his explosiveness. This is a tremendous foundation for a disruptive force on the interior of NFL defensive lines. His explosiveness, coupled with that hand work he has developed to date, is enough to make him productive as a rookie. What he learns along the way is can make him special.

Comparison: Retired NFL defensive end Stephen White, in this meaty breakdown of Kinlaw, compared him to current Chicago Bears’ defender Roy Robertson-Harris. This makes a ton of sense, as Robertson-Harris began as an edge rusher before moving inside, and Kinlaw’s disruptive ability on the interior compares to the finished product that Robertson-Harris is now.