Saints’ draft positioning is a product of NFL’s crowded basement

The Saints only won five games and are barely picking inside the top 10. It’s because the bottom tier of the NFL has been worse than usual:

Recently, I was reading an article from CBS Sports where the writer made an interesting observation on the New Orleans Saints’ position in the 2025 NFL draft. Will Brinson wrote that, “the Saints won enough games this year where they don’t really have a great draft pick (No. 9 overall.)”

While that is an accurate description of the situation the Saints find themselves in, the phrasing caught my attention. Saying the Saints won enough games to hurt their draft position didn’t feel right when New Orleans only won five times.

So, I took a look at the past three years to see where winning five games would have gotten you. Since the NFL expanded to 17 games in 2021, five victories secured you top-six selection. The last two years a team picked fifth overall with just five wins. The Carolina Panthers picked sixth in the 2022 NFL draft, as the lone five-win team.

It’s not that the Saints won too many games per se, but rather that the NFL’s basement is more crowded than usual. In 2024, the entire top-10 has five wins or fewer. There are four teams with five wins this season, the most since 2019.

Winning five games would have guaranteed you to pick near, if not inside, the top-five. This year the ceiling is the seventh overall selection. New Orleans’ unfavorable positioning is truly a reflection of how bad the lower tier of the league has performed.

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Saints finish last in NFC South, but will still pick after a division rival

Despite finishing last in the NFC South, the New Orleans Saints will still pick after the Carolina Panthers due to a strength of schedule tiebreaker:

With the dust settling on Week 18, the New Orleans Saints now hold the No. 9 pick in the 2025 NFL draft — with the Carolina Panthers slotted at No. 8. But the Saints managed to finish last in their division for the 2024 season for a variety of tiebreaking decisions, as it went down to the third tier of tiebreaker. Here is how that was handled:

  1.  Head-to-head record – Both teams had a win this season against each other.
  2. Division Record – Both teams completed the season with a 2-4-0 divisional record
  3. Record in common games (games in which both teams had the same opponent at some point in the year) – Saints finished 2-10 in these games, Panthers finished 3-9.

One single win split these two teams apart in the divisional standings, where the Panthers beat the Las Vegas Raiders, New York Giants, and Atlanta Falcons once, the Saints only beat the Dallas Cowboys and New York Giants from the list of common games.

With this in mind, the tiebreaker for draft picks is different, as its first method to break up the deadlock is strength of schedule. The belief is teams with an easier strength of schedule should get a better pick, as it means they had the same record against worse opponents. For the 2024 season, the Saints had a .507 strength of schedule to the Panthers’ .496, meaning the Panthers had easier opponents overall, and get the better pick as a result.

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New Orleans Saints will be picking either 9th or 8th in the 2025 NFL draft

The New Orleans Saints will be picking either 9th or 8th overall in the 2025 NFL draft. With their 2024 season in the books, all eyes are on the Raiders-Chargers game:

We saw some good things from the New Orleans Saints in the first half of their Week 18 game with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers — but they couldn’t keep that momentum going after the break, and the Bucs came back to win the day, 27-19. The Saints finished their season at 5-12. So where does that have them picking in the 2025 NFL draft?

That isn’t settled just yet, but it’s close. The Saints will be picking at either ninth or eighth overall, depending on how things go in Sunday’s finale between the Los Angeles Chargers and Las Vegas Raiders. New Orleans got some help from the Chicago Bears, who upset the Green Bay Packers in a tense rivalry game full of long-range field goals and high-profile injuries. That Bears win moved the Saints up from tenth to at least ninth.

If the Raiders can defeat their own divisional rivals, the Saints will climb even higher, going from ninth to eighth. But that’s yet to be determined. The Chargers are playing to win with critical playoff seeding on the line. So tune in to CBS for kickoff from Allegiant Stadium in Las Vegas and see if the Raiders can help the Saints out, too.

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2025 NFL draft order: Where could Saints be picking after Week 18?

Where could the New Orleans Saints be picking after Week 18? Win or lose, here’s how the 2025 NFL draft order could shake up after the final whistle:

If the 2025 NFL draft started today, the New Orleans Saints would be picking at tenth overall. They’re the league’s only five-win team, and their advantage in the strength of schedule gives them an advantage over the six-win San Francisco 49ers; San Fran’s opponents have combined for a .566, giving New Orleans a tiebreaker at .507 going into the final week of the regular season.

So we’ve established that No. 10 is their floor. It’s where they’ve been for several weeks despite a couple of losses. Obviously they didn’t choose this, but it’s been a bad year for the Saints to go belly-up. Nine other teams have lost 12 or more games, which is a huge outlier compared to other years. Four have lost 13 games, so hypothetically the highest the Saints could pick is fifth, with a loss to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers this Sunday putting them at 5-12. Here’s why their true ceiling is lower than that.

Just look at the teams ahead of them, all of whom go into Week 18 with a 4-12 record:

No. 5 overall: Jacksonville Jaguars (SOS at .474)

No. 6 overall: Carolina Panthers (SOS at .496)

No. 7 overall: New York Jets (SOS at .500)

No. 8 overall: Las Vegas Raiders (SOS at .544)

No. 9 overall: Chicago Bears (SOS at .555)

The idea that the Saints could move up hinges on any of these five teams winning. The problem is that even if they all finish at 5-12, the Jaguars, Panthers, and Jets have a tiebreaker with the Saints thanks to their lower strength of schedule. It’s unlikely any of those teams’ SOS would improve enough to make a difference after Week 18, so really the best the Saints could hope for is moving up to eighth or ninth.

What would that take? A move up would require the Raiders to beat the Los Angeles Chargers in Las Vegas, while the Bears need to upset the Green Bay Packers at Lambeau Field. The Chargers and Packers have both clinched wild-card seeds but neither playoff team is resting their starters with seeding still undetermined in Week 18. They’re both playing to win.

So look for the Saints to be stuck at tenth (win or lose in Tampa Bay) once the dust settles. There’s a slim chance they could move up to eighth or ninth, but it’s just not likely. They haven’t gotten many breaks this season, and it doesn’t look like their fortune will change much after Sunday’s final whistle.

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Saints move up in the 2025 draft order after their bye week

The Saints remain in the top-10 of the 2025 NFL draft after their bye, but a surprise Week 12 victory changed their position:

The New Orleans Saints moved up one spot in the NFL draft order after Week 12, and they didn’t even have to lose a game to get it done.

There was a point where New Orleans had a top-five selection. A coaching change and 2 wins in a row later and New Orleans was the last team in the top-ten. After Week 12’s action, the Saints moved from the tenth pick to the ninth.

Ironically, it was a Dallas Cowboys victory that helped them out. When the Cowboys surprisingly defeated the Washington Commanders, it created a complete logjam with several competing teams at 4-7. The Saints may have beaten the Cowboys head to head, but in a tie between the Saints, Cowboys, Bengals and Bears, New Orleans would have the highest draft pick.

There’s not a large separation at the top of the draft. The Patriots have three wins and the fourth overall pick and the Bears are at No. 14 with four wins. The Saints could easily find themselves in either of those regions depending on this week’s outcome.

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Where the Saints are picking in the 2025 NFL draft after Week 10

Looking into where the New Orleans Saints stand in the draft order ahead of the 2025 NFL draft after Sunday’s win over the Falcons.

The New Orleans Saints tank project the team seemed to be on came to a screeching halt on Sunday when the team unexpectedly snapped its seven-game losing streak with a 20-17 win over the visiting Atlanta Falcons. A not-insignificant number of Saints fans were looking to next year’s draft, so how did this impact the 2025 draft order?

Even though this appears to be a season too far lost barring something bizarre, there’s a new sense of optimism surrounding the Darren Rizzi era. Just how far it lasts remains to be seen, but there is no question that things seem to be looking up after the team parted ways with Dennis Allen.

So, what exactly does all of this mean for where the Saints could be picking in the 2025 NFL draft? Here’s a look at where New Orleans stands after the Week 10 victory and their full draft order projection from Tankathon:

  • Round 1, No. 9 overall
  • Round 2, No. 40 overall
  • Round 3, No. 71 overall
  • Round 3, No. 89 overall
  • Round 4, No. 111 overall
  • Round 4, No. 127 overall
  • Round 6, No. 184 overall
  • Round 7, No. 252 overall

The Saints will look to continue to stay on the right side of the win column when they face the Cleveland Browns on Nov. 17 at Noon CT/1 p.m. ET.

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Saints would be picking top-6 if the 2025 NFL draft started today

The Saints would be picking top-six if the 2025 NFL draft started today. But it’s tough to see them stay there. When healthy, they might be too talented to fail:

The New Orleans Saints would be picking at No. 6 overall if the 2025 NFL draft started today, having fallen into a 2-5 start to their season after a five-week losing streak. The latest projections from Tankathon have the Saints making their pick awful early, but that could change depending on Monday night’s results. The Buccaneers-Ravens game won’t impact them much, but a Cardinals loss could push the Saints down to No. 7 (while a Chargers loss doesn’t move the needle).

But it’s tough to see them stay there. When healthy, they might be too talented to fail. The Saints showed what they can do with all hands on deck in the first two weeks of thee season, outscoring their opponents by a wider margin than anyone else around the league. Then they lost two close games to good teams. Attrition continued, and then they got run off their own field in back-to-back losses.

There’s a lot to be said for going in the tank, locking up a valuable draft pick, and using it to address a key position of need — landing a surefire rookie quarterback would be transformative, and the game’s best pass rushers and pass protectors can be found earliest in the draft, too.

Just don’t count on it. The Saints are slowly getting healthier. Veteran linebacker Pete Werner is expected back soon, and so is starting quarterback Derek Carr. Other offensive playmakers like right guard Cesar Ruiz and tight end/fullback Taysom Hill are returning soon, too. Eventually Pro Bowl center Erik McCoy will resume his place in the middle of the line. Even if they’re bruised or older (or both), this Saints team has too much talent on both sides of the ball to lose five more in a row.

And that’s been their story with Dennis Allen at head coach. In each of his three years they’ve gone into Week 8 with records of 2-4, 3-3, and 2-4, only to figure some things out and rebound in the second half. By Week 13 they’ve been 4-8 and 5-6. By season’s end they were 7-10 and 9-8. Not bad enough for a pick at the top of the draft to rebuild, but not good enough for the playoffs.

It’s a concerning pattern. You figure something has to give eventually. They’ll either get over the hump, fully collapse, or the front office’s patience with Allen will give out. If recent history is any indication, general manger Mickey Loomis, team president Dennis Lauscha, and team owner Gayle Benson aren’t in any great rush to blow things up and start over.

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What If: Saints pulled off trade down with Rams on draft day

The Rams were trying to trade up for Brock Bowers, and the Saints were listening. What if the Raiders hadn’t made that decision for them?

The New Orleans Saints are feeling pretty confident in their 2024 draft haul. They came away with the best player at their most important position of need in Oregon State right tackle Taliese Fuaga, a Day 1 starter with Pro Bowl potential (and who has made a big fan in future Hall of Fame offensive lineman Jason Kelce). But things could have turned out very differently them in this year’s draft.

What if the Las Vegas Raiders hadn’t drafted Georgia tight end Brock Bowers at No. 13, opening the door for the Saints to consummate a trade they were discussing with the Los Angeles Rams?

NFL Network’s Peter Schrager first reported that the Rams were calling teams in hopes of trading up for Bowers, and NewOrleans.Football’s Nick Underhill later confirmed that the Saints were in talks with L.A. about moving down. But when the Raiders surprised everyone by drafting Bowers instead, one pick before the Saints went on the clock, those trade talks were scuttled.

Schrager said: “The player they had their eyes on if he slipped a little bit was Brock Bowers. So the Rams really fell in love with Brock Bowers, the Georgia tight end, and as he’s plummeting down boards and the quarterbacks are going, there were phone calls made and there was some excitement in that L.A. building that they might be able to get Brock Bowers and add him to that offense.”

Of course, everyone came out of these feeling happy: New Orleans got Fuaga, the Rams got Florida State pass rusher Jared Verse, and the Raiders, of course, got to pair Bowers with tight end Michael Mayer (last year’s 35th overall pick). Still, let’s use the benefit of hindsight to see how this may have played out differently.

If the Raiders pass on Bowers at No. 13, they would probably have picked Fuaga themselves. They have a clear need at right tackle where Thayer Munford Jr., a former seventh round pick with just 890 career snaps played in the NFL (563 of them on the right side), is expected to start. They could have also considered every defender in the draft at that point with the first dozen selections all being offensive players. But we’re guessing Fuaga would have been their choice.

So Bowers remains on the board at No. 14. There was a big push for the Saints to draft him among fans on social media, so he would’ve been a popular pick regardless of the greater need at both tackle spots. And with Fuaga unavailable trading down is easy to understand. As Underhill and Schrager reported, the Rams were working hard to trade up for him. What kind of offer could Los Angeles have made?

Going into the draft, Rich Hill’s trade value chart had the Saints’ No. 13 pick valued at 325 points, while the Rams’ pick at No. 19 was valued at 278 points. That’s a difference of 47 points, which could be made up by Los Angeles sending New Orleans their picks in Round 3 (No. 99, valued at 36 points) and Round 5 (No. 154, valued at 11 points). That’s equal value. The Saints could have also asked for the Rams’ other third rounder (No. 83, valued at 52 points), but breaking even would have meant sending back one of their own fifth- or sixth-round selections.

Here’s an alternative offer. The Saints already owned four picks in Round 5 (at Nos. 150, 168, 170, and 175). Another fifth rounder may not have moved the needle for them. So what about picks in 2025? Another trade in Round 1 saw the Jacksonville Jaguars move out of the 17th pick and down to No. 23 in exchange for the Minnesota Vikings’ third- and fourth-round choices next year. Conventional wisdom around the NFL says that future draft picks depreciate in value by one round for each year, but the Rams are well-established outliers in that regard. The Saints may have been able to wring out of them the 2025 second rounder Los Angeles later traded to move up from No. 52 to 39.

But there’s a cost for the Saints we aren’t considering, which would be missing out on one of the top offensive tackles (and Bowers, which would upset a lot of fans hoping for more firepower on offense). Sliding back from No. 14 to 19 is easier to accept with Fuaga off the board, along with guys picked ahead of him like Olu Fashanu, JC Latham, and Joe Alt. The next offensive tackle picked was Amarius Mims at No. 18, so he wouldn’t have been an option, either. The Saints were reportedly down on Troy Fautanu for medical red flags but they might have been forced into picking him before the Pittsburgh Steelers did at No. 20. The next offensive tackle drafted was Jordan Morgan at No. 25, and he also had a college knee injury.

Would it have been undersized pass rusher Chop Robinson (the 21st pick) or wide receiver Brian Thomas Jr. (No. 23) instead of an offensive lineman? Both players visited the Saints at their headquarters before the draft, so they were clearly on New Orleans’ radar. They could have used the help at either spot, as well as cornerback, with both Quinyon Mitchell and Terrion Arnold on the board. The question is whether it could come at a detriment to the offensive line. Waiting until Round 2 would’ve been perilous; no offensive tackles were drafted until No. 55, 10 slots after the Saints were slated to pick. Doing so would have been a reach.

So maybe things worked out the way they should have. Disgruntled Saints fans would have never let it go if the team traded down and missed on a surefire offensive tackle while sending Bowers off to break all sorts of records in Sean McVay’s high-flying offense (which, you know, humiliated the Saints in front of a national audience last season and effectively ended their playoff bid. And they’re coming to the Caesars Superdome for a rematch this year).

It’s just ironic that a team which has traded up in 27 consecutive draft-day deals had the opportunity to finally move down, pleasing fans who have been asking for it for years, only for the options to look less appealing once you break it down. Hopefully Fuaga goes on to have such an illustrious career that we never look back on this as a missed opportunity.

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WATCH: Back-to-back first round draft picks Taliese Fuaga, Laiatu Latu compete 1-on-1

It isn’t too often that two players competed against each other and then got drafted with back-to-back picks. So who won when Taliese Fuaga and Laiatu Latu squared up?

It isn’t too often you’ll see a pair of first round draft picks compete against each other at the college level. So it’s really impressive when you see two players picked back-to-back line up against one another.

That’s exactly what happened when UCLA kicked off against Oregon State last season, pitting right tackle Taliese Fuaga (the New Orleans Saints’ future pick at No. 14) against outside linebacker Laiatu Latu (the Indianapolis Colts’ choice at No. 15).

And it was one impressive battle. JM Football’s Bobby Skinner highlighted the battle in the trenches between these two future first-round picks, pointing out where they each got their wins. As for who won the day? You’ll have to tune in and see for yourself.

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Every former Wisconsin Badger selected in NFL draft first round since 2000

Every former Wisconsin Badger selected in NFL draft first round since 2000:

The 2024 NFL draft enters its third day of action on Saturday, April 27 with rounds 4-7.

Three rounds are already in the books, and no former Wisconsin Badger was selected in that frame for the fourth time since 2011.

Related: Wisconsin football 2024 spring transfer portal window tracker

There will be several former Badgers selected on day three of the draft —  including running back Braelon Allen, offensive lineman Tanor Bortolini and running back Isaac Guerendo (via Louisville). Several others have a chance to be selected but will likely sign as undrafted free agents.

The Wisconsin football program is in the midst of a cold streak of turning players into top draft picks. Numerous recent players have turned into NFL stars, including Leo Chenal, Jonathan Taylor, T.J. Edwards and Andrew Van Ginkel — though none were first-round selections.

Luke Fickell and his staff are working to revamp the roster, which should lead toward that streak changing. But until that happens, here is every former Wisconsin Badger to be selected in first round since 2000: