Saints have tough calls to make on fifth-year options for 2022 draft picks

The New Orleans Saints have tough decisions to make on the fifth-year options for Chris Olave and Trevor Penning, their first-round draft picks in 2022:

Here’s another tough call the New Orleans Saints must make this offseason: Whether or not to pick up the fifth-year options for Chris Olave and Trevor Penning? It isn’t something they’ll have to decide overnight — that window opened on Jan. 6 and closes on May 1, just four days after the 2025 NFL draft — but it will have to be dealt with eventually. Both players are under contract for 2025, but this will determine whether they’ll be locked in for 2026.

And it may not be as simple a call as you’d first think. The decision to pick up team options for Marshon Lattimore and Ryan Ramczyk was an easy one, and you have to think that’s what the Saints hoped for when they drafted Olave and Penning back-to-back a few years later. Things just haven’t gone that way.

The formula for determining how much these fifth-year options are worth has gotten a little complicated. The latest NFL collective bargaining agreement introduced different categories for payouts determined by play time and Pro Bowl appearances, but the two Saints players we’re looking at fall into the lowest tier. That’s been summarized by Over The Cap’s experts as “Players who do not meet any of the requirements below will be eligible for a fifth year base salary calculated from the average of the 3rd to 25th highest salaries at their position over the past five seasons.”

Neither Olave nor Penning have made a Pro Bowl yet. They also haven’t met criteria for playtime due to injuries or, in Penning’s case, being benched midway through his second season. Because of those qualifiers and the rising wages of veteran players at each position, OTC estimates the 2026 salary cap cost to pick up Penning’s fifth-year option is actually higher than Olave’s — $17,412,000 for the offensive lineman compared to $15,161,000 for the wide receiver. All of that money is guaranteed and while it can be restructured (as the Saints did before with Marcus Davenport), it’s still a heavy lump to take.

Let’s be honest: Penning hasn’t played well enough to earn that fifth season in black and gold just yet. The better move is to decline the option and have him play out a contract year in 2025 with a new coaching staff (and maybe another new position if he’s moved inside to guard). He showed enough growth last year to warrant a longer look at right tackle, and he at least won’t be seen as a cuts candidate going into training camp. But beyond that, he hasn’t earned much trust. The Saints need to see it to believe it, and so do we.

Now what about Olave? It’s his health that makes this a question. A series of concussions limited him to just eight games last year, but he was averaging his lowest numbers in receiving yards (50.0) and receptions (4.0) per game even when he was healthy and available. He hasn’t been able to play a full 17-game season since the Saints drafted him. You don’t want to hold that against him too strongly, and context matters here.

If the Saints do pick up Olave’s option he would have a salary cap charge of about $15.1 million in 2026. Right now, that would rank 15th among his peers at wide receiver, and that’s before big names like Tee Higgins, Chris Godwin, and Amari Cooper sign lucrative contracts this spring. If Olave can stay healthy and produce in another new offense, that could end up looking like a bargain. But if his long-term health is a concern and so is his ability to reliably play like a top-15 receiver? Then it becomes a more fraught decision.

So right now we’re leaning towards declining Penning’s option but picking up Olave’s. What would you do? The Saints have months to decide, and they can’t take these decisions likely.

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Saints’ projected salary cap space after Ryan Ramczyk news

Ryan Ramczyk agreed to cut his 2025 salary this week, which sets him up for retirement. But how does it set up the Saints and the salary cap?

Ryan Ramczyk agreed to cut his 2025 salary this week, which sets him up for retirement. But how does it set up the New Orleans Saints and the salary cap? Let’s break it down.

To start, Ramczyk agreed to waive his $18 million base salary for the 2025 season in exchange for the veteran’s minimum at $1,255,000. Because he’s being forced into a medical retirement, he isn’t getting that money either way, but doing it like this gives the Saints immediate savings of about $16.7 million.

That left Ramczyk with a $12.3 million cap hit, and it puts the Saints at roughly $326 million in cap commitments for 2025. The NFL hasn’t yet announced where the cap will be this offseason but most experts agree it will fall at about $270 million. That means the Saints are probably in the hole by $56 million, or somewhere close to it.

This was just the first of several expected moves they’ll make this offseason. Restructures are coming for young, productive players — guys like Erik McCoy (saving up to $6.7 million), Cesar Ruiz ($5.2 million), and Carl Granderson ($5.2 million). Tougher decisions are ahead for older veterans like Cameron Jordan, Taysom Hill, Demario Davis and Tyrann Mathieu, all of whom have salary cap hits between $20 million and $10 million.

And the elephant in the room is Derek Carr. He has the biggest cap hit on the team at $51.4 million, and he’s made it clear he won’t accept a pay cut. The Saints could restructure his deal and save $30 million but that effectively locks him in as their starting quarterback for 2025 and 2026. Don’t bet on him waiving his no-trade clause to join a new team, either. It’ll cost as much to cut him as to keep him, at least until June 2, but that would mean finding a way to get under the cap and work through free agency and the NFL draft with a $51.4 million albatross around the neck. That just isn’t realistic.

The decisions Mickey Loomis has made have put the Saints in a bind. Overpaying Carr like this and restructuring aging players so many times has taken a toll, and now the Saints have to pay it.

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Former Saints All-Pro effectively signed his retirement papers

Ryan Ramczyk effectively signed his retirement papers this week. The Saints saved a lot of salary cap space, but his departure won’t be processed until June:

It’s a shame Ryan Ramczyk’s career ended this way. The New Orleans Saints’ former All-Pro right tackle effectively signed his retirement papers this week, having missed the entire 2024 season with a chronic knee injury. This was expected even if it’s unpleasant at best.

Per Over The Cap’s Jason Fitzgerald, Ramczyk agreed to waive his $18 million base salary for 2025 while reducing it to the league minimum, which saved the Saints a little more than $16.7 million against the salary cap. He’ll remain on the roster until June 2 with a cap hit of $12.3 million (instead of $29 million before this move), at which point they’ll formally release him and process his retirement.

That timing is all about cap purposes; we’ve seen the team use this same approach before for retiring players like Malcolm Jenkins and Drew Brees. When Ramczyk’s release and retirement are officially processed in June, the Saints will get that $1.2 million base salary back as a cap credit with about $11 million left behind in dead money for 2025 and $11.9 million in 2026. Then he’s off the books for good in 2027.

Still, it’s a disappointing end for Ramczyk’s career. He won recognition as an All-Pro three times, with two spots on the second team (2018 and 2020) and a place on the first team in 2019. He’s done really well for himself after going from welding school to playing for his old high school coach at Wisconsin-Stevens Point, which put him on the recruiting radar. He transferred to join the Wisconsin Badgers, started a full season for them at left tackle and then was drafted by the Saints in 2017’s first round. He switched to the right side without much prep time and went on to enjoy an impressive seven-year career.

If his knee had held up, Ramczyk would still be starting for the Saints today. But they tried everything to improve it without success, and the best thing for his health is to shed his playing weight and move on. We’ll wish him the best in retirement.

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Payton Turner’s toe injury flared up again at Saints practice this week

Payton Turner’s toe injury flared up again at Saints practice this week. He’s playing through pain to prove he belongs:

Payton Turner’s toe injury flared up again at New Orleans Saints training camp this week, taking the defensive end out of practice early. It was the second time in as many weeks where Turner’s injury became a problem. And he returned to a full day of reps the next day just like the week before. But this may be something Turner and the Saints medical staff have to manage throughout his time in black and gold.

He’s playing through pain to prove he belongs. It’s not like Turner stubbed his toe or something negligible. He tore a ligament in his foot last year that required surgery and an extensive rehab, and it’s still bothering him. It’s really unfortunate for a player who is working so hard to help his team and salvage his career be slowed down by something outside his control like this.

So what’s to be done? Expect more occasional rest days for Turner throughout the season to help mitigate the weight and stress being put on his surgically-repaired foot. That’s the approach the team has taken with other players battling long-lasting injuries in the past, like Ryan Ramczyk’s degenerative knee condition. But we’ll just have to wait and see. Hopefully Turner can continue to play and fight for snaps in the rotation at defensive end behind Chase Young, Carl Granderson, and Cameron Jordan.

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Saints took the cautious approach with Ryan Ramczyk’s surgery

Ryan Ramczyk took a caution approach in knee surgery out of the options available to him, but the New Orleans Saints right tackle still landed in a tight spot:

The Ryan Ramczyk injury and surgery saga has been a difficult one to watch unfold, as he will be missing the season after being placed on the reserve/physically unable to perform (PUP) list. However, there are still small glimmers of hope coming out of the New Orleans Saints front office and coaching staff, which could be a positive sign moving into next season.

Head coach Dennis Allen spoke to the media recently, telling ESPN’s Katherine Terrell that Allen saw two options for the surgery on Ramczyk. One option, according to Allen, was “A lot more yes or no, meaning, you do the procedure and if it responds right, it’ll be good. If you don’t, well, he’s done.”

However, Ramczyk took the more cautious approach of the two, which is a good sign. General manager Mickey Loomis also talked about Ramczyk’s status, saying, “If there was any way possible, he (Ramczyk) would be playing.” Loomis also said that he is “hopeful that things can turn around, and with a year off that his knee responds, and he can get back out here for us.”

These quotes both sound like there is a possible glint of hope for 2025 and Ramczyk having a return chance. Ultimately, he needs to put his health first no doubt, and if he feels he is ready next year then maybe the discussion could be had about working into a return. Still, it is nice to hear a positive update on this front regardless, both from the general manager and head coach, as they have significantly more context than the rest of us at this point in time. We’ll just have to wait and see whether Ramczyk can get back out there.

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What’s next for Saints with Ryan Ramczyk out for the 2024 season?

What’s next for the Saints with Ryan Ramczyk out for the 2024 season? Their options are limited on the eve of training camp, but they knew this was coming:

What’s next for the New Orleans Saints with former All-Pro right tackle Ryan Ramczyk out for the 2024 season? Their options are limited on the eve of training camp, but they knew this was coming — head coach Dennis Allen has alluded to it as a possibility as far back as NFL owners meetings in March. That’s around the same time they informed Trevor Penning he’d be moving to right tackle while making plans to pick a new left tackle early in April’s draft.

In a perfect world they wouldn’t have to make any moves: Penning would develop as hoped with a new coaching staff and hold down the job at right tackle for years to come. Taliese Fuaga would convert to left tackle with ease and be a foundational piece moving forwards. Veteran free agents they’ve already signed like Olisaemeka Udoh and Justin Herron could join young backups Landon Young and Josiah Ezirim on the bench.

But they aren’t living in a perfect world. Things don’t always go to plan. Development isn’t linear, and it’s possible either or both of Penning and Fuaga struggle after flipping sides. If Penning is a bust at right tackle and Fuaga has to go back to his college position, who covers Derek Carr’s blind side? Young or Udoh?

That’s a hard sell. And as we said, the cupboard is looking awful bare in free agency. The Saints could look into signing another experienced pro but it has to be the right fit. Older players like Jason Peters, Duane Brown, and David Bakhtiari aren’t going to be eager to sign as a backup. If they’re going to join a team for camp it’ll likely be with the expectation that they’re starting. Other free agents like D.J. Humphries and Charles Leno Jr. are coming off of serious injuries.

Then you have free agents like Donovan Smith and Billy Turner. They’re both past their prime but they’ve played valuable snaps for teams recently, and they could be upgrades over the depth on the Saints’ roster as it stands right now. The question becomes whether they would be willing to sign on for a backup role and the league-minimum salary that comes with it. If the Saints are looking for an experienced left tackle who could take over if Fuaga moves back to the right side, Smith would make a lot of sense. Turner has mainly played right tackle as of late.

If we’re guessing today, the Saints won’t sign anyone. They’ll wait until pads come on and the first few days of practice are behind them before considering new additions. Give the youngsters time to settle in with their new coaches and test the veteran players competing behind them. They’ve had all offseason to make more moves and this Ramczyk development didn’t take them by surprise. If the Saints weren’t comfortable with their depth chart they would have done more to change it during the last two or three months.

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Saints place starting LT on PUP, opens door for rookie

Talliese Fuaga is penciled in as the Saints starting left tackle.

On Friday, it was reported that the New Orleans Saints had placed starting left tackle Ryan Ramczyk on the PUP list. Since it was after the deadline, the knee injury that cut off his 2023 season after just 12 games will cost him all of the 2024 season.

Knowing this was a real possibility, the Saints prepared by taking former Oregon State offensive tackle Taliese Fuaga in the first round of the 2024 NFL draft. Fuaga should have no issue in being ready by the start of the season to pick up where Ramczyk left off as the anchor on the left side of the Saints offensive line.

Ramczyk started 101 games over his first seven NFL seasons. Ramcyk was named an All-Pro three times. Fuaga parlayed a very strong 2023 season into being the third offensive tackle off the board after Joe Alt and Olu Fashanu. The Saints selected Fuaga with the No. 14 overall pick.

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Ryan Ramczyk won’t play football in 2024, NFL future in doubt

Ryan Ramczyk won’t play football in 2024, and his NFL future is in doubt. If he’s already played his last down, it’s a career he can be proud of:

We received the clearest indication yet that Ryan Ramczyk has already played his last down of pro football on Thursday. The New Orleans Saints placed their former All-Pro right tackle on the reserve/physically unable to perform (PUP) list, which carries an important distinction from the active/PUP list other players were designated to.

As observed by NFL Media’s Ian Rapoport, Ramczyk is a vested veteran (someone who has earned earned three or more credited seasons), and those vested veterans who have been placed on the reserve/PUP list before roster cuts on Aug. 27 are ineligible to play this season. His year is over.

“But his career for sure could be over now,” Rapoport said on NFL Network. “He is out for the season. He’s dealing with a knee issue and he of course has had some injury concerns over the years. But dealing with a knee issue now, they thought it was going to get better, they thought it was going to turn the corner, it just did not improve like the Saints and like Ramczyk had hoped.”

It’s possible that Ramczyk could bounce back after taking a year off, but he’s struggled to manage a degenerative knee condition and that’s unlikely to improve with time. At this point all he can realistically do is shed weight like many offensive linemen do after their playing careers are over, and formally file his retirement papers once the Saints are in a position to absorb it on the salary cap.

If this is it for Ramczyk, it’s a career he can be proud of. He only played a single season of Division I football in college before turning pro, having started at left tackle for Wisconsin after trying his hand at welding school, only to unexpectedly take over for an injured Zach Strief at right tackle during his first game as a rookie. Ramczyk immediately established himself as a top-five right tackle in the league and won three All-Pro nods in his seven-year career, starting every game he played. Few players retire without regrets, but Ramczyk got much closer than most. We’ll wish him well for whatever’s next.

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Former Wisconsin offensive tackle to miss entire 2024 NFL season

Former Wisconsin offensive tackle may miss entire 2024 NFL season

The New Orleans Saints placed former Wisconsin Badgers offensive tackle Ryan Ramczyk on the reserve/Physically Unable to Perform list on Thursday. That roster move ensures the star tackle will miss the entire 2024 NFL season due to an ongoing knee injury.

The fear regarding Ramczyk’s status was first shared by Saints head coach Dennis Allen back in March. It was confirmed by the team’s roster move on Thursday, on the eve of training camp for the 2024 NFL season.

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NFL Network insider Ian Rapoport clarified why Ramczyk’s early move to the PUP list means that he will miss the entire season, noting that “a vested veteran placed on Reserve/PUP prior to the final roster reduction is out for the season. Players placed on Reserve/PUP at the final roster reduction will miss at least 4 games.”

Ramczyk is entering his eighth NFL season after the Saints selected him in the first round of the 2017 NFL draft. All he’s done in that time is turn into one of the league’s best offensive tackles, earning one First-Team (2019) and two Second-Team (2018, 2020) All-Pro selections. 2024 will be the third year of a five-year, $96 million contract that he signed after his initial rookie contract.

The veteran has been hampered by injuries over the last few seasons. He missed six games in 2021 and five in 2023. The 2023 injury is what is still affecting his ability to play, as his current status is due to complications from offseason surgery to address that knee injury.

 

Ramczyk played for Wisconsin from 2015-2016 after transferring from UW-Stevens Point. He was a late bloomer in college but since became one of the better at his position in the sport.

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Ryan Ramczyk designated to reserve/physically unable to perform list

Ryan Ramczyk was designated to the reserve/PUP list on Thursday. He’s technically sidelined for the first four games, but his season is effectively over:

It had been looking like for a while now that New Orleans Saints All-Pro tackle Ryan Ramczyk’s future with the team was in doubt.

Thursday’s announcement confirmed just this.

The Saints shared that Ramczyk was placed on the reserve/physically unable to perform (PUP) list as he’s battling what’s been reported to be a degenerative knee issue. This will officially sideline him for the first four games of the season. If there were any chance Ramczyk could return sooner he wouldn’t be going on PUP.

With Ramczyk being placed on the list, he’s technically eligible to be activated to the roster the Monday after Week 4’s game against the Atlanta Falcons (Sept. 30). But according to NOF’s Nick Underhill, this is unlikely. He writes that “the expectation is that (Ramczyk) is not particularly close and his absence will extend well beyond the first four games. He’s unlikely to play this season.”

From the talk many of us heard this offseason from the Saints front office and coaching staff, this doesn’t come as a surprise. Head coach Dennis Allen made this statement earlier this offseason which gave us our first indication that Ramzyck’s future was uncertain: “We’ve got a plan for him. Certainly we don’t have to make any decisions now, but I haven’t seen the progress that I was hoping to see.”

If it is the end of the road for Ramczyk, he’s enjoyed a heck of a career. The former first-round pick started in all 101 games that he’s appeared in over seven years while also earning three All-Pro selections. That he went on to become one of the NFL’s most dominant right tackles in his prime after playing just a single season of Division I football at Wisconsin, at left tackle, is incredibly impressive.

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