Chase Young signing with Saints may signal the end of Payton Turner era

Chase Young will be taking someone’s spot in the rotation after the Saints signed him. It just might be Payton Turner’s:

Chase Young will be taking someone’s spot in the rotation after the New Orleans Saints signed him to a one-year, $13 million contract on Monday (with every dollar guaranteed once his pen touched paper). The Saints are bringing back all of their major contributors from 2023 at defensive end, but the group performed so poorly that it makes sense for Young to elbow someone aside.

It just might be Payton Turner drawing the short straw. The 2021 first-round pick hasn’t lived up to expectations, and it’s almost a foregone conclusion that the Saints will not pick up his fifth-year option for 2025 before May’s deadline. Between injuries and coach’s decisions based on his too-slow progress, Turner has only played 15 games through his first three years, without a single start.

Cameron Jordan and Carl Granderson are locked in, and Tanoh Kpassagnon also played major snaps last year (23.8 per game). Backups Isaiah Foskey and Kyle Phillips got a few looks here and there. If Young can fill in for Jordan on third downs and obvious passing situations, limiting the old pro’s snap counts, there may not be many more reps to go around. Phillips is an unrestricted free agent who has not been retained. Foskey’s development has been slow, like Turner’s, but he’s only entering his second year in the NFL.

So it’ll probably be Turner or Kpassagnon being squeezed out. They share surprisingly similar skill sets as defensive linemen who can set the edge or slide inside, and the financials are similar, too. Turner’s 2024 salary cap hit is set at just over $3.9 million. Trading or releasing him after June 1 (during or after training camp, too) would save the Saints $2.3 million. Kpassagnon’s cap hit is $3.3 million and moving him this summer would save the team $2.5 million against the cap.

And of those two, Kpassagnon has been the better player for the Saints. He’s been healthy and productive and played more games. That might make him a more appealing asset to other teams. At the same time, Kpassagnon will turn 30 in June, and the aging Saints defense has been a point of contention among fans. It’s possible Turner plays well enough in practices over the summer that it’s a real question of who makes the cut, and another team could swoop in to make New Orleans a trade offer they can’t refuse. It would be a good problem to have.

It’s just a shame Turner hasn’t met expectations to this point in his career. Some of it is his own fault with up-and-down performances when he’s been available. Some of it is on the coaching staff for preferring to run with older teammates in some games. But so much of the problem isn’t anyone’s fault. Injuries happen in the NFL, and Turner has been hit harder than most. We’ll see if he can bounce back with the stakes going higher in 2024.

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Chase Young identified as a solution to Saints’ pass-rush woes

The Saints pass rush has been abysmal. Could Chase Young help them out at defensive end? ESPN makes the case for pursuit of the 49ers free agent:

Defensive end is one of the biggest concerns for the New Orleans Saints as they’re currently constructed. Despite the selections of Payton Turner and Isaiah Foskey with top-40 picks in 2021 and 2023, the pass rush remains at the bottom of the league. There were 27 teams with more sacks last season than the Saints.

The issue should be addressed this offseason either in free agency or the upcoming 2024 NFL draft. Veteran options will be available sooner, and the Saints aren’t known for their patience, so that’s where we’ll start looking. ESPN’s Aaron Schatz identified San Francisco 49ers defensive end Chase Young as a solution for the Saints who may hit the open market:

The best option might be a one-year, prove-it contract for Young. He couldn’t stay healthy in 2021 and 2022, and while he had 7.5 sacks in 2023, his game fell off after he was dealt to San Francisco in the middle of the season. Young ranked 15th among edge rushers with a 19.3% pass rush win rate off the edge, but that went from 24.8% while he was with Washington to just 12.9% with San Francisco (through the playoffs). On a one-year deal with New Orleans, Young could play opposite Cameron Jordan and prove he still has all the talent that made him the No. 2 overall pick in 2020.

A prove-it contract would be mutually beneficial for both parties. If Young performs well, he gets to hit the market in 2025 and likely get a moderately lucrative contract because of his draft pedigree. Losing Young after a year is a downside for New Orleans, but that’s a risk they’ll have to be comfortable taking, and there’s a good chance the Saints receive a compensatory draft pick if he leaves.

Young likely wouldn’t cost much because of his injury history and recent inconsistent play. Signing him would be a low-risk, high-reward move. Let’s see if it’s in the cards for New Orleans.

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What Payton Turner would make on his 5th-year option

What would Payton Turner would make on his fifth year option in 2025? The Saints have to make a decision on the backup defensive end by May:

Decision time is approaching for the New Orleans Saints and the fifth-year option for 2021 first-round selection Payton Turner. On paper, it has looked like an easy to decision to not pick it up and just give him this next season to break through and earn another contract.

What would it look like if the Saints were to pick up his option, though? The NFL recently released the fifth-year option amounts along with the updated salary cap, which could make the Saints’ decision easier.

Turner would be due $13,387,000 in 2025 if the Saints decided to pick his option up — and every dollar would be guaranteed. If it wasn’t clear before, it’s crystal-clear now that the Saints will very likely not exercise that option before the May 2 deadline. In his first three seasons Turner has racked up 29 tackles and just three sacks. He just hasn’t done enough to justify being tied to him for another season with a significantly higher salary cap hit than he has had up to this point in his career.

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Draft expert sells Saints fans on top pass rusher Laiatu Latu

NFL draft analyst Daniel Jeremiah understands why Saints fans are leery of another pass rusher, but says Laiatu Latu ‘is totally different’ from past busts

NFL draft analyst Daniel Jeremiah understands why New Orleans Saints fans are leery of seeing their team pick another pass rusher — they’ve swung and missed at several prospects early in recent draft cycles.

Marcus Davenport. Payton Turner. Now, Isaiah Foskey. All of them have failed to deliver either for missing time with injuries or not producing when on the field. It’s been a frustrating experience for the Saints to pour so many resources into the position group and have so little to show for it.

And the pass rush is an area of concern for the Saints again this year after they failed to get after the quarterback last season. One popular prospect for them in media mock drafts is UCLA star Laiatu Latu, who Jeremiah describes as a breath of fresh air given New Orleans’ past approach.

“Look, with Latu, he is totally different than those guys you just mentioned,” Jeremiah began, speaking on a national conference call Thursday. “So their formula that they had been chasing is more traits-based. All those guys you mentioned were kind of more raw, not technical pass rushers, but big, physical, explosive guys who weren’t technicians.”

The 6-foot-4, 261-pound Latu has plenty of size for the Saints’ standards even if he isn’t as tall as Tanoh Kpassagnon or as heavy as Cameron Jordan. And he’s been highly productive in two years at UCLA. Latu sacked the quarterback 23.5 times in 25 games while racking up 34 tackles for loss. He also finished with five forced fumbles and two interceptions. He’s a game-changer, and it’s a result of the work he’s put in to hone his craft.

Jeremiah continued: “Latu is a technician, man. I compare him to Trey Hendrickson. He is really good with his hands. He can win a variety of ways. He has a natural feel for pass rush. Some parts of the pass rush remind me of wide receivers. There’s route runners. There’s an artistry to it. Latu is an artist.”

That’s not to say Latu is a perfect prospect. He transferred to UCLA and missed the 2020 and 2021 seasons after a neck injury threatened his college career. It hasn’t been a problem in the years since, but it’s an injury history teams like the Saints must take seriously.

He’s moved on from that scary incident and developed into maybe the best pass rusher in this year’s draft class. Teams like the Saints would be wise to consider him.

“He is really, really gifted that way. So a totally different style than the guys that you mentioned that maybe they haven’t hit on in the past,” Jeremiah finished.

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NFL Network analyst weighs in on Payton Turner’s 5th year option

Saints have to decide on Payton Turner’s 5th year option. NFL Network’s Marc Ross says don’t do it

The New Orleans Saints must decide whether or not to pick up Payton Turner’s fifth year option on his contract. The 2021 first round pick hasn’t played more 8 games in a season over his first 3 seasons. Due to injury, he has failed to become an important part of the Saints pass rush rotation. Would you pick up his contract for a fifth year? NFL Network’s Marc Ross wouldn’t do it. 

Three sacks in 15 games (zero starts) over three seasons? Turner has been one of the bigger disappointments of this group.

This was one of the more-simple breakdowns. The lack of production and actual snaps makes this an easy decision. Turner simply hasn’t done enough and a part of that is availability. Turner needs to come out next season and earn a contract. He’s yet to prove he deserves another year added at a higher price tag.

The Saints have an easy decision on Payton Turner’s fifth-year option

Unfortunately, the Saints have an easy decision on Payton Turner’s fifth-year option. Maybe he can turn things around like Cesar Ruiz did:

Unfortunately, the New Orleans Saints may not need to wait until the May 2 deadline to choose whether to pick up Payton Turner’s fifth-year option for 2025. The former 2021 first-round pick just hasn’t shown enough to warrant the cost: an estimated (and fully-guaranteed) $13.8 million, per the experts at Over The Cap.

For context, the Saints have already paid Turner a total of $10.1 million between his signing bonus and first three years’ salary. In 2024 he’ll play on a salary just over $2.3 million.

To this point in his three-year career Turner has appeared in a total of 15 games (out of 51 combined Saints games played), missing all but the first and last matchups in 2023 due to a devastating injury. He was banged up through his first two years in the league, too, but he missed a handful of games as a healthy scratch when teammates were outproducing him. In those 15 games he has totaled 29 tackles (20 solo, 8 tackles for loss), 3 sacks, 8 quarterback hits, and a fumble recovery.

Now he’s going into a make-or-break 2024 season. If Turner can stay healthy and make plays rushing the quarterback, he’ll earn an extension with the Saints in 2025 or a lucrative contract elsewhere. If he can’t do either of those things, he may hang around the league for a little while thanks to his draft status, but it’s just as possible that he’ll be out of the game altogether.

In any case: the 2024 season is critically important for Turner’s future in pro football. He did everything right in 2023 by attacking the offseason with a positive attitude and being receptive to coaching. He just needs to repeat that process and hope for better injury luck when the season kicks off.

This isn’t the end of the line for Turner. The Saints chose to not exercise right guard Cesar Ruiz’s fifth-year option for 2024, either, ultimately signing him to a long-term extension before the season started in 2023. Ruiz broke out in 2022 after settling into his new position and built on that progress over the summer. Obviously Turner isn’t in the same situation, but he can still turn things around and earn a second contract with the team that drafted him. With Cameron Jordan getting older and the Saints pass rush falling off, they could really use a breakout campaign from Turner in the fall.

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Cameron Jordan says retirement isn’t an option in 2024: ‘I love the Saints too much’

Cameron Jordan says retirement isn’t an option in 2024: ‘I love the Saints too much’

It’s been a rough year for Cameron Jordan. The New Orleans Saints’ perennial Pro Bowler fell off in 2023, finishing with just two sacks and likely missing the annual all-star event (unless he gets in as an alternate). Pro Football Focus charting ranked Jordan’s 45 quarterback pressures as the 44th-most among defensive ends around the league, despite ranking 29th in pass-rush snaps (449).

He just wasn’t productive enough. Now 34 years old (and turning 35 this summer), Jordan acknowledged that his numbers aren’t where they needed to be. But he isn’t ready to call it a career just yet.

“I love the Saints too much to retire,” Jordan told local media at his locker on Monday. “I love this locker room, I love everything about it. I’ve got too much juice to give.”

Jordan rattled off his list of complaints from the 2023 season — a lingering ankle injury that had him playing “like a freaking shell of myself” in the back half of the schedule, along with losses to the Packers, the Texans, and the Falcons in Atlanta. But he likes the way the Saints finished the season playing strong on both sides of the ball, even if he wishes that kind of consistency had manifested earlier in the season.

So he’ll be back in 2024, which makes sense when you look at his contract (he’s signed through 2025). What the plan is for him remains to be seen. Jordan remains a strong run defender, anchoring the left end of the line and tracking the ball well in the backfield, but he’s lost a step moving forwards as a pass rusher. Too often he’s a step slow to close on the quarterback and finish the sack.

Maybe the answer is moving him inside to rush against slow-footed guards, as some older defensive ends have tried around the league. Or the Saints could ask him to rush the quarterback less often altogether and focus on winning the first two downs. Jordan ranked second on the team in pass rush snaps (449) by a wide margin. Young draft picks like Marcus Davenport, Payton Turner, and Isaiah Foskey haven’t panned out. The Saints need to keep trying to find someone who can take some pressure off Jordan’s shoulders in that role.

Jordan added that he won’t be vacationing with his family in Spain like he did last summer; he’s planning to dial in and train his body so he can get back to performing at his usual standards. “There’s some things I need to clean up. And as much as I needed last offseason to happen, it takes a lot to be committed to your craft. That was great for the mentals, but I feel like in a physical aspect, and even in a team aspect, there’s more to give.”

He added, “I’m already looking forward to a revenge arc.”

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Saints complete several last-second roster moves before Week 18 vs. Falcons

The Saints completed several last-second roster moves to prepare for Week 18’s game against the Falcons:

We’re hours away from what may be the last New Orleans Saints game of the year. A loss in Sunday’s matchup with the Atlanta Falcons would end the Saints’ season, while a win could only extend it by a few more minutes, depending on how the Tampa Bay Buccaneers’ contest with the Carolina Panthers goes, or hours, with a couple of different late-afternoon matchups factoring into the playoff picture.

But it all starts with a win on Sunday. And to that end, the Saints processed a series of last-minute roster moves to bring up reinforcements from their practice squad and the injured reserve list. Here’s what you need to know about each of them:

Payton Turner to make his return from injured reserve vs. Falcons

Payton Turner will make his return from injured reserve for the Saints’ regular season finale against the Falcons, per head coach Dennis Allen:

He’s back: New Orleans Saints head coach Dennis Allen announced Friday that the team will activate defensive end Payton Turner from injured reserve, just in time for Week 18’s regular season finale with the Atlanta Falcons.

Turner, the Saints’ former first-round pick in the 2021 NFL draft, hasn’t played since Week 1 after dislocated two toes and requiring surgery. A lengthy rehab kept him on the sidelines for most of his third season in the pros, but he’s hoping to make a positive impact on Sunday.

It’s been a frustrating experience for Turner. He enjoyed his best offseason with the Saints and didn’t miss a single practice session throughout training camp, playing as many snaps as his coaches would give him in three preseason games. But his foot caught in the turf at the Caesars Superdome while he was rushing the passer, and all of that positive momentum came to a screeching halt.

Hopefully he can end the year on a high note. This summer, the Saints must choose whether to pick up Turner’s fifth-year option for 2025, and thus far he hasn’t shown enough to warrant it. It’s unlikely he’ll be able to do enough against Atlanta to sway that decision one way or another, but this is his last chance to put some good plays on tape before the end of the year.

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Saints downgrade DE Payton Turner, won’t return vs. Buccaneers

The Saints ruled out Payton Turner against the Buccaneers. He may end up having played in just the season opener and season finale this year:

Don’t look for Payton Turner to get on the field Sunday against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. The New Orleans Saints announced Saturday evening that they were downgrading Turner’s status and ruling him out for Week 17’s matchup; the third-year defensive end recently returned to practice and has one more week left to earn a green light to suit up for a game. He was listed as questionable on the injury report before being ruled out, with head coach Dennis Allen expressing pessimism about his status on Friday.

Coincidentally, the Saints have just one game left in the 2023 regular season next week against the Atlanta Falcons. So it’s looking like, if anything, Turner will end up playing the season opener and the season finale for New Orleans.

It’s been a really tough year for him. Turner didn’t miss a single day of practice throughout the summer and at training camp, playing as many snaps as his coaches would give him in three preseason games. But his cleat caught in the turf at the Caesars Superdome while he was rushing the quarterback to force an incomplete pass back in Week 1, dislocating two toes and forcing him to undergo surgery and a lengthy rehab.

Now, his hopes rely on the Saints beating the Bucs without him so he can return and help their long-shot playoff bid in Week 18. The Saints must decide whether to pick up his fifth-year option for 2025 in the spring of 2024, but there hasn’t been enough production from Turner through his first three years to make that a very difficult decision for the front office. Hopefully he can play well once he’s healthy and turn his career around.

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