Lions make it official, announce Ray Agnew and John Dorsey hiring to the front office

The Lions are rebuilding with several former NFL players in key positions

Ray Agnew is officially the new assistant general manager of the Detroit Lions. John Dorsey is also now on the payroll as a senior personnel executive.

The moves, first reported over the weekend, were made official on Wednesday by the Lions. It’s the latest part of the radical overhaul of the organization from the top on down.

Agnew comes to the team from the Los Angeles Rams, where he worked with new Lions GM Brad Holmes. Agnew was the Rams’ director of player personnel. Dorsey is a former GM for the Kansas City Chiefs and Cleveland Browns who most recently served as a front office consultant for the Philadelphia Eagles.

Both are former NFL players, as are new head coach Dan Campbell and his coordinators, Aaron Glenn (defense) and Anthony Lynn (offense).

John Dorsey: What the Lions are getting from a Browns point of view

Dorsey is a smart move who can really help rookie GM Brad Holmes in Detroit

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John Dorsey is joining the Detroit Lions front office in a senior personnel executive role. The exact details of the position are not yet clear, nor has the hiring been made official by the Lions just yet. But as someone who covered Dorsey with the Cleveland Browns, it’s a move I really like for the Lions.

Back when the Lions fired Bob Quinn as the GM, Dorsey was a popular candidate amongst Detroit fans. It was a concept I was vehemently against, based on my experience with his Browns teams. Here’s some of what I opined at the time,

His playing favorites alienated several players and stunted progress of players who weren’t “his guys”. He also liked the idea of having contrasting voices on his coaching staff instead of a harmonious unit. Anyone who watched even 15 minutes of Hard Knocks in the summer of 2018 got a taste of that discord between head coach Hue Jackson and his coordinators, Todd Haley and Gregg Williams. Dorsey did that on purpose, thinking it would give his team an edge.

That was a carryover from his Kansas City experience, too. Dorsey has a confrontational nature to him when stressed, and he doesn’t react well to those who don’t fall in lockstep. It’s what led to his departure from the Chiefs.

Those are not good qualities for a GM. The Browns got instantly better after replacing Dorsey with young Andrew Berry, notching the franchise’s first postseason victory since 1994 in the first post-Dorsey year.

But a lot of the key players on the rapidly ascending Browns are in Cleveland because of Dorsey. He’s got a well-honed eye for talent and for having a vision of how his team will win. And those are qualities that will help the Lions in his new capacity in Detroit.

It sounds like Dorsey will be the director of football operations for all intents and purposes. It’s a new role for the Lions front office, one that I screamed for in November. And that is exactly the role I had in mind for Dorsey in Detroit back when the Lions terminated the failed Bob Quinn experiment.

Few men identify talent better than Dorsey. Every GM has misses in the draft, and Dorsey is no exception. But he’s been very adept at making the smart choice and aggressive moves, like making the trade while the GM in Kansas City to acquire Patrick Mahomes, or stealing Pro Bowl WR Jarvis Landry from Miami in one of his first moves with the Browns. He’s someone who has valued the most important positions on the field (QB, DE, CB, WR, OT) with premium value, be it in the draft, trades or free agency.

His biggest failures as a GM are things that are largely out of his sphere of influence now. He bungled the coaching situation in Cleveland twice, first sticking with Hue Jackson after a 0-16 season and then choosing the supremely overmatched Freddie Kitchens a year later as the permanent replacement. His willingness to turn a blind eye to character flaws or acknowledge personnel mistakes goes away with this new role in Detroit.

I have some reservations about how his style will blend with GM Brad Holmes. They are very different personalities. That doesn’t inherently mean conflict or negativity, however. Dorsey is someone who will not be afraid to make the contrarian point in a draft discussion.

Let’s say Holmes and the bulk of the scouting department fall in love with North Dakota State QB Trey Lance with a first-round pick in 2021. Dorsey will not hesitate to let it be known he’s not on board if he doesn’t like it. That can be a very helpful position for a rookie GM in Holmes, and one who got the job in part because of his emphasis on consensus-building and hearing all voices. Dorsey might not win the argument or change the pick, but he will at least give Holmes and the rest of the braintrust more to think about, more reason to question — or reinforce — why they feel the way they do.

How Holmes and the rest of the Lions management reacts to that is an unknown variable. Again, Holmes earned universal raves from his former team, the Rams, for his ability to build a consensus and to be open-minded, but that could be different now that he’s the man with the final say. Dorsey will not hesitate to trample over any wishy-washiness on the rookie GM’s part, nor would he apologize about doing so. But I don’t think that’s going to happen. Here’s why:

Dorsey is now 60. He’s been a GM twice and his phone wasn’t exactly blowing up with offers to get a third opportunity this year. Coming to Detroit to work with a rookie regime is a chance for Dorsey to reestablish his GM credentials, if that’s something he still aspires to do. If he can’t be a team player with these Lions, Dorsey runs the very real risk of never getting another gig. He’s smart enough and self-aware enough to know this, too.

Alternatively, he can be the consigliere to Holmes as the new don in Detroit and ride that out for the rest of his career. After being involved in his press conferences, watching Dorsey patrol around at practices and training camp in his trademark white sweatshirts, and getting to know several underlings in Cleveland, it’s something I think he can embrace and thrive at doing.

It’s a good opportunity for Dorsey, and the Lions organization is smart to give it to him.

Ex-Browns GM John Dorsey will join the Lions as a senior personnel executive

Dorsey will help Lions rookie GM Brad Holmes

Former Browns general manager John Dorsey is set to join a new team. Dorsey will be a senior personnel executive with the Detroit Lions as part of that team’s front office overhaul.

The deal is still not finalized but several reporters both local to Detroit and nationally have confirmed the deal is in place and will be announced mid-week.

Dorsey was the Browns GM from the end of the winless 2017 team through the end of the 2019 season. He was responsible for adding several key pieces to the Browns current roster, including Baker Mayfield, Odell Beckham Jr., Nick Chubb, Kareem Hunt and Sheldon Richardson. He also had some prominent misses, and his willingness to overlook character concerns created problems with players like Antonio Callaway.

Dorsey spent the 2020 season as a scouting consultant for the Philadelphia Eagles.

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Report: Detroit Lions expected to hire John Dorsey as a senior personnel executive

NFL Network’s Tom Peliserro is reporting that the Detroit Lions are expected to hire John Dorsey as a senior personnel executive.

Initially reported by NFL Network’s Tom Peliserro, and confirmed by several other local reporters, the Detroit Lions are expected to hire John Dorsey as a senior personnel executive.

The deal is still not finalized but it is expected to happen and be announced mid-week.

Dorsey, like most of the recent hires by the Lions organization, is a former NFL player — he played linebacker for the Green Bay Packers for five seasons in the mid-to-late eighties.

Not long after retirement, Dorsey began scouting for the Packers in 1991, and by 1997 he was named their director of pro scouting. He followed coach Mike Holmgren to Seattle to be their director of player personnel for a year but quickly returned back to Green Bay in his old role. He would work his way up to director of football operations by 2012, then other teams came calling.

The Kansas City Chiefs was first to hire him as their general manager, where he stayed for four years, then he moved on to the Cleveland Browns, who made him their GM for two years before he was fired again.

Last season, per The Athletic’s Zach Berman, Dorsey was hired by the Philadelphia Eagles as a consultant on college/pro scouting.

During his stints as director of pro scouting and general manager, Dorsey is credited with identifying or drafting a healthy list of talented players. While in Green Bay, Dorsey was the person who pushed for Aaron Rodgers, in Kansas City he traded up and drafted Patrick Mahomes, and in Cleveland, he selected Baker Mayfield — all playoff quarterbacks in 2020.

With the Lions likely targeting a quarterback in this year’s NFL draft, Dorsey’s hit rate makes him a phenomenal person to have in the evaluation room.

Others Dorsey drafted in Kansas City and Cleveland include Travis Kelce, Tyreek Hill, Kareem Hunt (drafted while with Chiefs and signed while with Browns), Nick Chubb, Marcus Peters, Denzel Ward, and local offensive tackle Eric Fischer.

But it’s not just scouting/drafting that has gotten Dorsey praise. While in Cleveland he acquired Jarvis Landry via trade with Miami for fourth and seventh-round picks, then talked the Giants into giving him Odell Beckham Jr. for first and third-round picks, along with former Michigan Wolverine Jabrill Peppers.

With the Lions needing to deal Matthew Stafford, Dorsey’s experience working trades will surely help the Lions get the “fair market value” they are looking for in a return.

While Dorsey has a glowing resume of acquiring players, there are several reasons he is not currently a GM in the NFL.

When evaluating GM candidates for the Lions, Dorsey was purposely left off our list of recommended candidates because of his controversial nature. As Jeff Risdon pointed out, we believed the Lions should pass on Dorsey for the GM job:

His playing favorites alienated several players and stunted progress of players who weren’t “his guys”. He also liked the idea of having contrasting voices on his coaching staff instead of a harmonious unit. Anyone who watched even 15 minutes of Hard Knocks in the summer of 2018 got a taste of that discord between head coach Hue Jackson and his coordinators, Todd Haley and Gregg Williams. Dorsey did that on purpose, thinking it would give his team an edge.

That was a carryover from his Kansas City experience, too. Dorsey has a confrontational nature to him when stressed, and he doesn’t react well to those who don’t fall in lockstep. It’s what led to his departure from the Chiefs.

Fortunately, in Detorit, Dorsey doesn’t appear to be involved in any coaching/front office personnel decisions and will be used as an experienced sounding board for general manager Brad Holmes.

As long as Dorsey’s role is clearly defined, he can be a valuable asset for the Lions. In fact, at the end of the article, Risdon noted that:

“I’d love to see Dorsey come to Detroit as the Director of Football Operations to assist a rookie GM, if the 60-year-old former Packers linebacker is willing. He does have an eye for premium talent and experience running an organization.”

John Dorsey to Join Lions front office as a senior personnel executive

John Dorsey is leaving Philadelphia Eagles to Join the Detroit Lions front office as a senior personnel executive

Eagles general manager Howie Roseman has been much maligned for his inability to properly judge talent during the NFL draft process.

With Philadelphia missing on several big names over the past few seasons and the Eagles rosters bare of any young star talent, the organization quietly hired former Chiefs and Browns GM, John Dorsey, as a personnel consultant.

Dorsey reportedly played a role in Nick Sirianni landing the head coaching role and there was talk of the former Chiefs and Browns GM helping lead the 2021 NFL Draft for Philadelphia.

That won’t be the case, as Tom Pelissero is reporting that Dorsey will head to the Detroit Lions and their new general manager, Brad Holmes, in a similar front-office role.

With the Chiefs, Dorsey was responsible for adding All-Pro quarterback Patrick Mahomes, star receiver Tyreek Hill, and star tight end Travis Kelce.

With the Browns, Dorsey drafted quarterback Baker Mayfield (Oklahoma) first overall in the 2018 NFL Draft.

Dorsey also drafted cornerback Denzel Ward with the No. 4 overall pick and running back Nick Chubb in the second round.

Dorsey also played a vital role in the acquisition of star wide receivers Jarvis Landry and Odell Beckham, Jr., as well as acquiring other assets via trade and the draft (cornerback Greedy Williams, running back Kareem Hunt, defensive tackle Sheldon Richardson, and defensive end Olivier Vernon).

Now in Detroit, Dorsey will look to add his expertise to a Lions franchise that’ll have the No. 7 overall pick and likely another first after the Lions part ways with franchise quarterback Matt Stafford.

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John Dorsey played a role in Nick Sirianni landing the job as Eagles head coach

Did John Dorsey play a role in Nick Sirianni landing the job as Eagles head coach?

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A few months ago, the Eagles quietly hired former Chiefs and Browns GM John Dorsey as a front-office consultant.

With Kansas City, Dorsey drafted several key contributors to the Chiefs’ Super Bowl LIV winning team, including superstar quarterback Patrick Mahomes, star receiver Tyreek Hill, and star tight end Travis Kelce.

With the Browns, Dorsey drafted quarterback Baker Mayfield (Oklahoma) 1st overall in the 2018 NFL Draft.

Dorsey also drafted No. 4 overall pick cornerback Denzel Ward (Ohio State), and running back Nick Chubb (Georgia) in the Second Round.

Dorsey also played a vital role in the acquisition of star wide receivers Jarvis Landry and Odell Beckham, Jr., as well as acquiring other assets via trade and the draft (cornerback Greedy Williams, running back Kareem Hunt, defensive tackle Sheldon Richardson, and defensive end Olivier Vernon).

Now with the Eagles, it appears Dorsey has the ear of Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie and may have played a role in Nick Sirianni landing with the Eagles per 97.3 ESPN via Sal Paolantonio.

Sirianni had previously spent four seasons as an assistant with the Kansas City Chiefs and he obviously left a notable impression on Dorsey who was named the team’s GM in 2013.

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Eagles hired former Chiefs, Browns GM John Dorsey as a front-office consultant

Eagles hired former Chiefs, Browns GM John Dorsey as a front-office consultant

Eagles general manager Howie Roseman has been much maligned for his inability to properly judge talent during the NFL draft process.

With Philadelphia missing on several big names over the past few seasons and the Eagles rosters bare of any young star talent, the organization quietly hired former Chiefs and Browns GM, John Dorsey, as a personnel consultant.

With Kansas City, Dorsey also drafted many key contributors to the Chiefs’ Super Bowl LIV winning team, including superstar quarterback Patrick Mahomes, star receiver Tyreek Hill, and star tight end Travis Kelce.

With the Browns, Dorsey drafted quarterback Baker Mayfield (Oklahoma) 1st overall in the 2018 NFL Draft.

Dorsey also drafted No. 4 overall pick cornerback Denzel Ward (Ohio State), running back Nick Chubb (Georgia) in the Second Round, wide receiver Antonio Callaway (Florida), among others.

Dorsey also traded for star wide receivers Jarvis Landry and Odell Beckham, Jr., as well as acquiring other assets via trade and the draft (cornerback Greedy Williams, running back Kareem Hunt, defensive tackle Sheldon Richardson, and defensive end Olivier Vernon).

Keeping Dorsey close to the vest could allow Howie Roseman to flourish as the face of the team’s front-office while ceding some of the player evaluation responsibility to Dorsey going forward.

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Lions need to pass on John Dorsey as a GM candidate

Dorsey’s teams in Kansas City and Cleveland both instantly surged upward after Dorsey left

John Dorsey is one of the more popular names being mentioned as a potential option for the Detroit Lions to succeed Bob Quinn as the team’s general manager. Dorsey has GM experience with two different teams, the Kansas City Chiefs and Cleveland Browns, as well as NFL playing experience.

As someone who experienced his Browns era from the beginning to the bitter end, I’m comfortable in saying I want no part of Dorsey as the new GM in Detroit.

I covered the Dorsey era in Cleveland from the introductory press conference in December of 2017 to his firing on New Year’s Eve of 2019. I asked him questions in press conferences. I talked to several players and staffers during his time there, aside from watching every snap of every game. And I really don’t want to see what happened with Dorsey’s Browns teams happen in Detroit.

I get why Dorsey is a popular candidate. He’s certainly got some very attractive feathers in his cap. Dorsey is aggressive, direct and demanding. None of those are negative qualities for the job if balanced properly. He has a good sense of positional values and his college scouting eye is one of the better ones.

I also saw the downside of Dorsey, and it’s a meaty list. The most prominent issue is his obstinance, and it’s something that ruined a lot of what he hoped to accomplish in Cleveland.

He is not someone who acknowledges errors or takes corrective actions well. Dorsey also showed a bad habit of favoring players as pet projects, often with blinders to their inadequacies or character flaws.

The most notorious of those is wide receiver Antonio Callaway. Dorsey took a shine to Callaway at Florida despite several off-field red flags including a season-long suspension. He traded up for Callaway in the fourth round in 2017 and stood by the enigmatic wideout when he was arrested for drug possession on his very first day in Cleveland. It never got better for Callaway, but Dorsey continually championed him.

Chad Thomas was another Dorsey pet project. A third-rounder in that first draft out of Miami, Thomas admitted in his scouting combine media session he was more interested in being a musician than being a football player. Guess what? Thomas is a (successful) musician and out of football. Dorsey jettisoned solid contributors in Carl Nassib and Emmanuel Ogbah to keep room for Thomas in Cleveland.

Dorsey is very much one of those GMs with “his guys”. It’s not to the extent of the QuinnTricia obsession with ex-Patriots, but his blind loyalty to his favored sons was a source of constant friction in Cleveland.

His draft record was hit-and-miss but generally solid. He was not the man who was responsible for Patrick Mahomes in Kansas City; that was Brett Veach. He did find Kareem Hunt among other talents, and Hunt became one of “his guys”.

That one turned out well for Cleveland, though Dorsey bringing him in after his ugly, captured-on-video domestic assault received a lot of media and fan condemnation at the time. For perspective, Lions ownership and Quinn as GM publicly stated they would not pursue Hunt due to his series of off-field issues.

Baker Mayfield (No. 1 overall), Denzel Ward (No. 4) and Nick Chubb (No. 35) are three of Dorsey’s first four picks. Yet of his two drafts, those are the only capable NFL players he found. They’re the only three players left in Cleveland from the nine-man draft class of 2018.

His playing favorites alienated several players and stunted progress of players who weren’t “his guys”. He also liked the idea of having contrasting voices on his coaching staff instead of a harmonious unit. Anyone who watched even 15 minutes of Hard Knocks in the summer of 2018 got a taste of that discord between head coach Hue Jackson and his coordinators, Todd Haley and Gregg Williams. Dorsey did that on purpose, thinking it would give his team an edge.

That was a carryover from his Kansas City experience, too. Dorsey has a confrontational nature to him when stressed, and he doesn’t react well to those who don’t fall in lockstep. It’s what led to his departure from the Chiefs.

He swung and missed badly in the coaching department in Cleveland. It was Dorsey who decided it was a good idea to keep Jackson as the head coach following the 0-16 campaign even with players openly mocking the coach. He permanently replaced Jackson with naif Freddie Kitchens, a disastrous hiring. Kitchens had half a season as the interim offensive coordinator, albeit one who coaxed record-setting play from Mayfield. It failed miserably despite Dorsey continually supporting Kitchens. Dorsey went down with another of “his guys”, one who shouldn’t ever be considered for a head coaching gig again.

For reference, here is what I wrote about Dorsey’s reign in Cleveland right after it ended last January,

Breaking down John Dorsey’s hit-and-miss tenure as Browns GM

I’d love to see Dorsey come to Detroit as the Director of Football Operations to assist a rookie GM, if the 60-year-old former Packers linebacker is willing. He does have an eye for premium talent and experience running an organization. But as a GM, I’ll take a hard pass on Dorsey.

Browns roster cutdowns erase many John Dorsey legacies

The Browns roster cutdowns on Saturday erase many more John Dorsey legacies in Cleveland

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The Cleveland Browns roster turnover under new GM Andrew Berry and head coach Kevin Stefanski continued in earnest on Saturday. The cutdowns to the initial 53-man roster washed away even more of the legacy of ex-GM John Dorsey on the team.

Dorsey’s first Browns draft class, the 2018 edition, is down to just three of the nine selections: Baker Mayfield, Denzel Ward and Nick Chubb. That’s still a heck of a draft, but the failure of guys like Austin Corbett (2nd round), Chad Thomas (3rd) and Genard Avery (5th) led to redundant picks and free agent moves almost immediately.

Cutting Thomas and Damion Ratley on Saturday wiped away all the depth from the 2018 draft class. Dumping WR Taywan Taylor and RB Dontrell Hilliard stripped away two other Dorsey guys from that year, too. Dorsey’s final two picks in 2019, OL Drew Forbes (opt-out) and CB Donnie Lewis (cut) are also off the team, though Forbes will return in 2021.

Earlier moves this offseason removed Dorsey acquisitions like OT Greg Robinson, TE Demetrius Harris, OL Eric Kush, S Damarious Randall, CB T.J. Carrie and more.

Dorsey’s best moves remain vital to the core of the team. Berry and Stefanski didn’t just try to whitewash all traces of Dorsey’s influence from the team. The trio left from that ’18 draft, trade acquisitions Jarvis Landry, Odell Beckham Jr. and Olivier Vernon are all critical starters and top-10 presences on the Browns roster.

Acknowledging that Dorsey and his regime did do some great things is an important step from the new Browns management. Too many times a new regime will just try to erase every vestige of its predecessor. Browns fans know all too well the rush to turn everything over in the name of progress, if only to wash away the bad taste left behind from the old regime. Instead of doing that, Berry and Stefanski merely trimmed a lot of Dorsey-era fat from the roster.

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Browns flashback: Storylines from 1 year ago reveal a very different team

From Greg Robinson being cut to a college football preview, so much has changed in a year

With the calendar turning to September and the Browns idle yesterday, I decided to take a look back at where we were with the team one year ago. My how the times have changed!

There were the top five most-read stories on Browns Wire one year ago today, on Sept. 1st, 2019:

Browns release starting left tackle Greg Robinson

This was one of those, “huh?” moments. Yes, the Browns did indeed cut their starting left tackle after the final roster cutdowns. It was a designed maneuver to allow rookie Drew Forbes to sneak through to I.R. rather than expose him to waivers. Robinson quickly re-signed with the team. Now Forbes is on the opt-out list and Robinson is facing up to 20 years in prison.

Taywan Taylor: What the Browns are getting in their new WR

Oh the excitement there was over acquiring Taywan Taylor! Here was a recent third-round pick set free by a numbers game in Tennessee. John Dorsey (remember him?) pounced on Taylor, picked up via trade for just a 7th-round pick. Another Dorsey masterstroke!

Welp. Taylor, who caught 37 passes in 2018 for the Titans, did not catch a single pass in his first year in Cleveland. He seems unlikely to get a second season to redeem himself.

Cleveland Browns roster cuts: Here’s who has been released

Roster cutdown day was Aug. 31st, so the first day of September was full of getting caught up on who was still in the brown and orange and who got sent packing.

In looking at this list, a few of the players here came back in one form or another: Stephen Carlson, Willie Harvey, J.T. Hassell, Robert Jackson, Donnie Lewis. All remain with the Browns today. Only punter Britton Colquitt went on to do anything notable anywhere else, and the Browns were right to take the risk and go with rookie Jamie Gillan over the reliable veteran.

Eric Kush named Browns starting RG “as we speak” by Freddie Kitchens

Insert GIF of Nancy Kerrigan screaming a tearful “why!?” here. The only upshot is the mention of newcomer Wyatt Teller getting a chance to usurp Kush, now struggling to make the Raiders as their final reserve OL. Teller is the starting right guard for 2020 — as we speak, anyway…

2020 NFL Draft Prospect preview: Oklahoma Sooners

Remember college football? Yeah, me too. Sigh. Props to Josh Keatley for trumpeting CeeDee Lamb, recently rated the best WR in Dallas Cowboys camp, as an attractive target for the Browns.