The Giants needed to fire Pat Shurmur even if the team’s struggles weren’t completely his fault

This one wasn’t completely on him.

The New York Giants reportedly let go of head coach Pat Shurmur on Monday, a move that many in the know — along with fans — were speculating could happen.

You could argue that Shurmur deserved more than two seasons to try and turn the franchise around. After all, he inherited a team that had gone 3-13 in 2017, one with an aging Eli Manning under center and one that had just fired rookie head coach Ben McAdoo, who floundered a year after going 11-5.

But it feels like the Giants need a complete overhaul even with promise in rookie quarterback Daniel Jones and stud running back Saquon Barkley. And that’s where Dave Gettleman comes in.

In the two years the general manager has been with the franchise, he’s made all kinds of befuddling moves — he traded star receiver Odell Beckham Jr., made a bizarre deal for Jets bust Leonard Williams, and his draft moves behind Jones and Barkley haven’t made splashes, save perhaps for fifth-round wideout Darius Slayton earlier this year. A team that should be going through a full rebuild felt like it was straddling both sides, making moves like a contender when it wasn’t one and other transactions that a bottom-10 franchise would make.

Gettleman deserves a lot of the blame, yet reports say he’s staying, a head-scratcher given what I just detailed:

All of that said, firing Shurmur had to happen.

For one, the Giants job is a high-profile one, and one with some intrigue to it — imagine a coach who looks at the mobile Jones and the all-around dominance Barkley brings to the table and comes up with a dynamic scheme, something it felt like Shurmur failed to do in 2019. Maybe that someone is this name that will be high on a lot of lists:

If the Giants see some upgrades on the market, that’s a good a reason as any to let Shurmur go, even if the franchise’s struggles aren’t on him.

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Dave Gettleman will remain general manager of Giants

The New York Giants have fired head coach Pat Shurmur, but will reportedly keep Dave Gettleman as their general manager.

The New York Giants have fired head coach Pat Shurmur and are now embarking on yet another search to find a leading man — their fifth such search since 2015 if you were to include Steve Spagnuolo.

But they will not be in the market for a new general manager.

“Dave Gettleman is our general manager in 2020 and hopefully for many years after that,” co-owner John Mara said. “We believe he is the right person to lead us going forward. Dave has a long record of success. We think he’s capable of putting a great team together and he’s going to get that opportunity. To the extent we need to make changes in personnel or the way we do things, we’re going to discuss that.”

“Although our record didn’t reflect it this season, we believe Dave has assembled a strong nucleus of young players that will help us compete for championships in the future,” Steve Tisch said.

There had been some speculation that Gettleman, who recently engaged in a serious battle with cancer, could step down as the result of health-related issues during his scheduled Tuesday press conference, but that now appears to be off the table.

Compounding reports and rumors, ESPN’s Adam Schefter suggests that the team’s next head coach could play a deciding role in Gettleman’s long-term fate, but that, too, now appears to be off the table.

With Gettleman remaining, the Giants’ list of potential head coaching candidates will narrow significantly. Anyone who desired personnel control will be out, and anyone who doesn’t want to work with Gettleman will also be out.

The Giants have painted themselves into a corner with these decisions, and it should have been all or nothing. Doing things only halfway will likely doom this franchise for the foreseeable future and in about a year and a half, we’ll likely be right back here again.

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Giants fire head coach Pat Shurmur

The New York Giants have made it official, announcing that head coach Pat Shurmur has been fired.

In recent weeks, New York Giants head coach Pat Shurmur sounded like a man resigned to his fate, so when the news came down on Black Monday, he probably wasn’t very surprised.

But the Giants have now made it official: Shurmur is out in East Rutherford.

Hired to replace Ben McAdoo, Giants co-owners John Mara and Steve Tisch were initially pleased with the addition of Shurmur, noting the team needed an “adult” to be in charge.

That adult led the Giants to back-to-back losing seasons, compiling an overall record of 9-23, which dropped his career record to 19-46 — one of the worst head coaching records in NFL history.

To Shurmur’s credit, his players never quit on him or each other in the same way they had under McAdoo, but in the end, that wasn’t enough to save his job or set the franchise back on the right track.

With Shurmur now out, the Giants will be in search of their fifth new head coach since 2015 (if you include Steve Spagnuolo), which is just a remarkable for a team previously known for patience and consistency.

Some consistency will remain however, as general manager Dave Gettleman appears to have been spared the wrath of team ownership and will remain in his post — at least for now. He is scheduled to speak on Tuesday.

But make no mistake about it… If the Giants continue to lose, the fan revolt will be substantial and the calls for Mara and Tisch to sell will get very loud very quickly.

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Could Giants use franchise tag on Leonard Williams?

Could the New York Giants use the franchise tag on DL Leonard Williams to avoid him signing elsewhere?

The New York Giants are in a pickle with impending free agent defensive lineman Leonard Williams, the player that general manager traded third- and fifth-round draft picks for back in October.

Williams will demand big bucks on the open market and the Giants now have to put in a serious bid for him or run the risk of the trade becoming another folly by this front office.

Nothing they do here with Williams will be pretty. The trade is already a folly. The impact is irreversible. The New York Jets were shocked the Giants were offering what they did. They were looking to dump Williams and likely would have taken the fifth rounder by itself.

But Dave Gettleman, being as out of touch as a 21st century GM can possibly be, traded two picks for a player he could have signed in free agency just months later. Now, to save face the Giants will overpay for another average player.

Other than signing Williams and letting him walk, the Giants’ other option is to apply the franchise or transition tag on him, but that will be costly.

From Rotoworld:

The Giants have been in talks with Williams but haven’t made much progress. Despite his limited success, Williams wants to be one of the higher paid 3-4 ends in the league. Franchising him may be the best option for the Giants if a long-term deal isn’t reached, through Williams could also be a candidate for the transition tag, which would pay him roughly $13 million in 2020.

Even though the Giants will have a boatload of money to spend in free agency come March, this is not how many envisioned them spending it. They have been drafting defensive linemen over the past several seasons and that should not be the position they plunk down a wad of cash on to secure.

And if they are to do that, it should be on a more productive player than Williams. In 14 games this season between the Jets and the Giants, Williams has no sacks and just two tackles for a loss.

In any event, this is just another example of the Giants not being the smart team in the room anymore. They always used to be the team that sat by and watched other teams make these mistakes. Those days are sadly gone.

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Report: Giants owners could be ‘at odds’ over Pat Shurmur’s fate

New York Giants co-owners John Mara and Steve Tisch could reportedly be at odds over the team’s future and Pat Shurmur’s fate.

The New York Giants’ 50-50 ownershipsplit  between the Mara and Tisch families has worked swimmingly for 30 years. The Giants have been one of the model franchises in the NFL over that period, maintaining a level of excellence and class both on and off the field.

But the last seven seasons have not gone as planned. The club has faltered in every phase possible. They failed to maintain the solid base that general manager Jerry Reese inherited from his predecessor, Ernie Accorsi, and have quite simply just lost their way. The results are evident by their lack of success on the playing field.

2019 will mark the Giants’ sixth losing season in seven years, which in team history can only be compared to the 1970s and early 80s, a period known as “The Wilderness Years.”

That near-decade of futility caused the NFL to actually step in a mediate between the team’s two owners (Wellington Mara an his cousin, Tim) and find a solution to help the Giants find their way out of the woods.

George Young was brought in to end the madness and he turned the Giants into champions. His model has been in place for forty years already and that model has not aged well. It’s the for the Giants to upgrade and it will take both John Mara and Steve Tisch to agree on that that new model should be.

George Willis of the New York Post wrote that Tisch will likely push for a blowup while Mara will urge patience. They are only two years into the Dave Gettleman-Pat Shurmur era and could be on the verge of turning the corner:

The Tisch and Mara families could find themselves at odds over whether to fire head coach Pat Shurmur and general manager Dave Gettleman. Two sources familiar with the Giants’ thinking told The Post Tisch has seen enough and wants a fresh start with a new GM and head coach, while John Mara wants to wait until the outcome of Sunday’s season finale against the Eagles at MetLife Stadium before making a decision.

The Giants’ ownership and front office personnel likely will meet on Monday to decide the fate of Shurmur and Gettleman, who would match last year’s 5-11 record by beating the Eagles. A win would be the Giants third straight to end the season, helping Shurmur’s case to stay.

“It will be interesting to see if Steve gets his way,” a source told The Post. “He wants a change. He feels for the fans.”

Gettleman has displayed an erratic style since taking over the team two years ago. He’s changed a lot of the faces but not the results. Shumur has consistently been out-coached but to his credit, has not lost the locker room.

Should the Giants give them both another year, and there is no progress, it will be a wasted year. If they blow things up and the losing continues, that could be worse.

Giant fans are in favor of a blowup and many hope Tisch wins out here. The NFL has changed since the Giants last won the Super Bowl eight years ago.

They were once the standard and they have failed to keep up. It’s time for a serious reboot.

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WATCH: Giants co-owner wants ‘major overhaul,’ but QB Jones hopes Shurmur keeps his job

It is just the second season of Giants general manager Dave Gettleman and head coach Pat Shurmur’s time together in New York, but Giants co-owner Steve Tisch is ready for a change already.

It is just the second season of Giants General Manager Dave Gettleman and head coach Pat Shurmur’s time together in New York, but Giants co-owner Steve Tisch is ready for a change already.

ESPN reports that Tisch is set to push for a “major overhaul,” this offseason. But don’t expect rookie quarterback Daniel Jones to be excited about the news.

As ESPN’s report Thursday points out, Tisch has failed to give both Gettleman and Shurmur a public vote of confidence over the last few months in interviews. Jones, however, gave the coach his support Thursday when asked about his feelings regarding Shurmur’s job stability.

“I think he’s a great coach,” Jones said, according to GiantsWire. “How he’s coached me has been very important for my development, so I am very grateful to have had the opportunity to work with him. (…) He’s been great for me.”

The 22-year-old 2019 first-round draft pick knows his role, admitting the decision is “well above” his pay grade. But he bluntly answered “Yes,” when asked if he hopes Shurmur stays.

That support feels right as Shurmur was at least part of a staff that opted to give Jones 11 starts (soon to be 12) this season as a rookie in a forward-looking move that included benching veteran Eli Manning.

The Giants are 9-22 over the last two seasons but have the opportunity to end this season with three consecutive wins when they host the Eagles Sunday.

Jones can’t singlehandedly control who the coach is, but helping his team to a win would be the best he can do to get what he says he wants.

Giants co-owner wants ‘major overhaul,’ but QB jones hopes Shurmur keeps his job (Giantswire)

It is just the second season of Giants general manager Dave Gettleman and head coach Pat Shurmur’s time together in New York, but Giants co-owner Steve Tisch is ready for a change already.

It is just the second season of Giants general manager Dave Gettleman and head coach Pat Shurmur’s time together in New York, but Giants co-owner Steve Tisch is ready for a change already.

Giants co-owner wants ‘major overhaul,’ but QB jones hopes Shurmur keeps his job

It is just the second season of Giants general manager Dave Gettleman and head coach Pat Shurmur’s time together in New York, but Giants co-owner Steve Tisch is ready for a change already.

It is just the second season of Giants general manager Dave Gettleman and head coach Pat Shurmur’s time together in New York, but Giants co-owner Steve Tisch is ready for a change already.

Report: Giants co-owner Steve Tisch wants ‘major overhaul’

New York Giants co-owner Steve Tisch reportedly wants a “major overhaul” this offseason.

The New York Giants are not even two years removed from hiring general manager Dave Gettleman and head coach Pat Shurmur to replace Jerry Reese and Ben McAdoo, who were terminated mid-way through the 2017 season, but already co-owner Steve Tisch wants a reset.

Mired in a third consecutive losing season and the second under Shurmur, Tisch has reached his breaking point and will push for a “major overhaul” this offseason, reports Jordan Raanan of ESPN.

For the New York Giants, the question is whether coach Pat Shurmur and/or general manager Dave Gettleman will be among those losing their jobs the day after the regular season concludes. The tea leaves suggest Shurmur is unlikely to survive barring a huge finish, Gettleman is in trouble and co-owner Steve Tisch is in favor of a major overhaul.

Tisch and John Mara have declined multiple opportunities over the past month to offer votes of confidence for Shurmur and Gettleman. That’s not a great sign. It leaves open the possibility of significant changes to the organization for the second time in three years.

Although Tisch and Mara have largely avoided the media this season, the former did suggest that a difficult conversation would be had on Black Monday.

“It’s been a very frustrating season. At the end of the season John Mara and I are gonna get together and discuss the future. As partners we have to be very honest with each other about where we see this team going into the 2020 season,” Tisch told Bruce Beck in early December.

The questions become: How many times are the Giants going to blow things up and rebuild if they don’t work after a year and a half? How much longer can the cycle of change continue and is the lack of patience really the right answer?

There is an understandable level of frustration with the current Giants product, but as we alluded to in our recent article, “7 reasons Giants should keep Pat Shurmur,” constant winds of change very rarely, if ever yield any long-lasting or consistent results.

The Giants have had two general managers, four head coaches, three offensive coordinators, three defensive coordinators, two different systems and a complete roster turnover since 2015 and the results have all remained largely the same. Doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results is literally the definition of insanity.

Something very clearly needs to be done, but is another “major overhaul” really guaranteed to bring about different results? It certainly hasn’t so far, and how many more times can the Giants do this before they finally rediscover some patience and allow a three-year plan to play itself out?

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Giants vs. Eagles: 6 things to know about Week 17

The New York Giants and Philadelphia Eagles square off on Sunday in Week 17, so here are six things fans should know.

The New York Giants (4-11) host the Philadelphia Eagles (8-7) at MetLife Stadium on Sunday, in a game that will help decide this year’s NFC East champion.

Here are six things to know.

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Eagles will be NFC East champs with a win

Philadelphia, by virtue of their victory over the Dallas Cowboys last week, are in the driver’s seat in the NFC East. They will clinch the division with a victory over the Giants or a Dallas loss or tie.

A victory will thrust the Eagles into the NFC Playoffs as the fourth seed and will host a wild card team — either Minnesota, San Francisco or Seattle — on Wildcard Weekend. It will be their third consecutive season with a postseason berth after qualifying just once in the previous six seasons.