Notre Dame labeled as overrated in early 2023 poll projections

They don’t mean anything but where should the Irish be ranked heading into 2023?

A good amount of way-too-early Top 25 projections for next season have been released now that the season is over. [autotag]Notre Dame[/autotag], like many schools across the country, is losing some stars (tight end [autotag]Michael Mayer[/autotag] and defensive end [autotag]Isaiah Foskey[/autotag]) and gaining some (quarterback [autotag]Sam Hartman[/autotag]).

Spring practice hasn’t even started, while the majority of the freshman class aren’t even on campus yet. Most of these are just speculation, but they still give a good indication of what to expect for a team heading into next season.

The Irish, who according to 247Sports, have an average ranking of 13, and they believe it is too high. The main rationale for Brad Crawford’s thinking is due to the 2023 schedule and how potentially difficult it will be during the second full season for [autotag]Marcus Freeman[/autotag].

Crawford highlighted two home games, [autotag]Ohio State[/autotag] and [autotag]USC[/autotag], and two road, [autotag]Clemson[/autotag] and [autotag]Duke[/autotag] (???) as potential losses for the Irish. He does try and rationalize the Duke inclusion, but we have seen this script before from similar schools.

Personally, I believe their ranking is a bit too low. The Irish should be about 3-4 spots higher, just inside the top 10. Time will tell where Notre Dame ultimately ends up, but it’s fun to guess right how where they might end up.

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ESPN gets it right, has Notre Dame on their Way Too Early Top 10

The Irish weren’t left off this list

Earlier this week we were all in a bit of shock, as Pro Football Focus’ Anthony Treash left Notre Dame off his Way Too Early Top 10 list. It obviously caused some concern, but since the start of the regular season is months away, not really much at all.

ESPN released their Way Too Early Top 25 (insider), a bit more comprehensive look at this coming seasons top teams. Mark Schlabach was much more kind to the Irish, ranking them inside his Top 10. Find out below where Notre Dame was placed along with the rest of the early Top 10.

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One way-too-early ranking has the LSU Tigers in the top 25

At least one publication has LSU in the way too early top 25.

The countdown is on for the 2022 season where the LSU Tigers open up the slate against the Florida State Seminoles in New Orleans. The team won’t leave the Boot until Oct. 1 when they travel to Jordan-Hare Stadium to face the Auburn Tigers.

New head coach Brian Kelly and his staff do have work to do in preparation for the upcoming spring football schedule and the 2022 season. The quarterback is going to be a huge talking point for the team. Will they role with the sixth-year senior Myles Brennan? Or will it be one of the young guns with redshirt freshman Garrett Nussmeier or incoming freshman Walker Howard?

There is still plenty of time to see just how they approach the season. Until then we have the way-too-early top 25 rankings being produced already. Not even 24 hours after the Georgia Bulldogs were able to knock off the Alabama Crimson Tide in the title game. Would you put the Tigers in the early top 25?

The Sporting News did just that as they ranked the LSU Tigers at No. 23 in their way-too-early poll.

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What The Sporting News Said…

LSU made the splash hire of the offseason by luring Brian Kelly away from Notre Dame. Kelly has more than just his Southern accent to work on. The Tigers are 11-12 the last two seasons. Kelly convinced Myles Brennan to stay on at quarterback, and the Tigers still have enough NFL talent on the roster to string together a nine-win season. The opener is against Florida State in New Orleans

A total of eight SEC teams made the top 25 with both future teams making the early top 25 as well.

Way-Too-Early Top 25 Roundup: Conditional Love for SDSU

San Diego State is featured in many “way-too-early” Top 25 lists, but the early love for the Aztecs comes with an important condition.

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SDSU is receiving lots of early love, but most of it comes with a caveat.

In the wake of the cancellation of the 2019-20 season due to the COVID-19 pandemic, many pollsters and pundits have already pivoted toward next season. While much of the offseason coverage relates to the transfer portal, recruiting, and the NBA Draft, there is another springtime trend that has popped its head up a little earlier than usual this year.

The “way-too-early” Top 25 list.

These lists are an amalgamation of residual feelings about teams from the previous season and the hype surrounding the incoming talent for the next campaign. They are necessarily more art than science, as the landscape of college basketball will surely experience a few seismic shifts over the coming months.

Hence, “way-too-early.”

Still, these lists provide an interesting glimpse into the current perception of the college basketball world. The question as it pertains to this site, then, is simple:

Where does the Mountain West fit into that picture?

For now, only one team is getting any love in the early polls, and that is San Diego State. It shouldn’t be much of a surprise, as the Aztecs are coming off a 30-2 season in which they had a chance to become a #1 seed in the NCAA Tournament and were legitimate national title contenders.

But much of the love for the Aztecs is contingent on the return of Malachi Flynn. Even without Flynn, though, Brian Dutcher will be bringing back a squad of talented, battle-tested players who will be itching to replicate the success from this past season.

Without further ado, here’s a roundup of prominent Way-Too-Early Top 25 lists that include the Aztecs, starting with those that have San Diego State ranked highest.

Mark Cooper, TheScore.com; SDSU Rank: #4

Cooper writes: “This spot is contingent on the return of All-American Malachi Flynn (17.6 points, 5.1 assists per game). If he’s back, the Aztecs will be stacked again with Matt Mitchell, Jordan Schakel, and Trey Pulliam returning, plus the addition of Cal State Northridge shooter Terrell Gomez (44.2% from 3-point range).”

John Wilner, The Mercury News; SDSU Rank: #9

Wilner writes: “Will he or won’t he? If point guard Malachi Flynn returns, the Aztecs should keep humming — all the way to a high seed in the NCAAs. If Flynn departs, then a step back (or two) seems likely. Matt Mitchell is best as a complementary scorer, not the first option.”

Rob Dauster, NBC Sports; SDSU Rank: #10

Dauster writes: “The key here is going to be Malachi Flynn. A redshirt junior that transferred into the program from Washington State, Flynn is an All-American at the point that allows Brian Dutcher’s offense to run the way he wants it to run.

Losing Yanni Wetzel will hurt, but Nathan Mensah started over him at the start of the year, and the defense that K.J. Feagin provided will be missed. But with Matt Mitchell back, he and Flynn should be able to provide enough firepower that the system will still run just fine. Remember, the Aztecs are coming off of a season where they lost just two games and will return 3.5 starters, including an All-American, if Flynn is back.”

Kevin Flaherty, 247Sports; SDSU Rank: #11

Flaherty writes: Malachi Flynn was one of the nation’s best guards this season, piloting the Aztecs to a 30-2 record. He was also just a junior, and he currently sits at No. 42 on ESPN’s list. This ranking is obviously dependent on him coming back to school. Losing Yanni Wetzell hurts; Matt Mitchell and Jordan Schakel returning is huge. If Nathan Mensah can come back fully from a blood clot in his lungs that cost him most of the season — and there was talk he might make it back for the NCAA Tournament — San Diego State would get back a big man who started the first 12 games of the season.

Connor Muldowney, FanSided; SDSU Rank: #13

Muldowney writes: “It looked like San Diego State was poised to go undefeated in 2019-20, but the Aztecs had a couple of slip-ups, including in the Mountain West title game. Still, San Diego State should be elite once again, potentially pushing for an unbeaten season in a winnable Mountain West. As long as Malachi Flynn returns, the Aztecs will be one of the best mid-majors in the nation again.”

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Another Day, Another “Way too Early” Top Ten for Notre Dame (ESPN)

Quick question:  when does it stop being “way too early” to make a pre-season top 10 or top 25? 

Quick question:  when does it stop being “way too early” to make a pre-season top 10 or top 25?  I agree the day after the national championship seems a bit early but as we approach spring ball is that still the case?

Probably, but it makes a bit more sense today than it probably did a month or so ago.  Either way, ESPN and Mark Schlabach released their latest “way too early top 25” and Notre Dame remains in the same position they did a month and five days ago.

Number 10.

ESPN/Schlabach’s latest outlook for Notre Dame:
Despite a lopsided loss to Clemson in the CFP two seasons ago, it might be argued the Irish are as close as ever to returning to the sport’s elite. They’re 33-6 since 2017, matching the most victories in a three-year stretch in the program’s history (the Irish also won 33 from 1988-90). After early losses at Georgia and Michigan, Notre Dame won its final six games in 2019, including a 33-9 rout of Iowa State in the Camping World Bowl. With quarterback Ian Book and all five starting offensive linemen returning, there’s good continuity on that side of the ball for 2020. Kevin Austin, who was suspended for the 2019 season, and Northwestern grad transfer Bennett Skowronek are two receivers to watch this spring. Coach Brian Kelly promoted former quarterback Tom Rees to offensive coordinator; he called plays in the bowl game after Chip Long was pushed out. There’s much work to do on defense, especially in the secondary.

Essentially this is exactly what was said in the first write-up.  There was no movement for any of the top three teams in Clemson, Ohio State and Alabama while Georgia moved to four and LSU dropped from four to eight.  Penn State’s climb from nine to five was also noteworthy in the top ten.

Listen, like it or not Notre Dame is entering the season as a top ten squad.  Perhaps you think they aren’t getting enough love or you may think they’re getting too much.  Either it really doesn’t matter much beyond for fun off-season arguments.

What’s much more important is if Notre Dame can improve the ability to run the ball against the better fronts and how quickly their now young secondary can grow.  If the growth at both of those improves and Ian Book can take a step, not even a leap, then Notre Dame should be looking 4-0 in the eyes before the showdown versus Wisconsin at Lambeau Field.

Win that and all bets are off before Clemson comes to town the first Saturday in November.

OK – can we fast forward to fall already?  Starting to get a bit excited.

Notre Dame Checks into Top 10 in 2020 “Way Too Early” Top 25

The Sporting News released their “way too early Top 25 for 2020” today and if it’s any indication, it could be the highest Notre Dame enters a season since 2006.

Yesterday we went over “The Ten Most Exciting March-ups for 2020” as rated by 247Sports and saw how Notre Dame made a pair of appearances.

The game against Clemson is setting up to be massive as the Tigers could be riding a nearly 40 game winning streak by then.

Clemson again figures to be a top two or three team entering 2020, but how high might Notre Dame check in?

The Sporting News released their “way too early Top 25 for 2020” today and if it’s any indication, it could be the highest Notre Dame enters a season since 2006.

Bill Bender ranks the Irish at No. 8, just behind Oklahoma and just-ahead of Penn State and states Notre Dame will again he in the heart of the College Football Playoff conversation.

There will be a million different things to discuss as the season approaches but expectations nationally appear to be as high as they are for Notre Dame fans entering 2020.