Saints have tough calls to make on fifth-year options for 2022 draft picks

The New Orleans Saints have tough decisions to make on the fifth-year options for Chris Olave and Trevor Penning, their first-round draft picks in 2022:

Here’s another tough call the New Orleans Saints must make this offseason: Whether or not to pick up the fifth-year options for Chris Olave and Trevor Penning? It isn’t something they’ll have to decide overnight — that window opened on Jan. 6 and closes on May 1, just four days after the 2025 NFL draft — but it will have to be dealt with eventually. Both players are under contract for 2025, but this will determine whether they’ll be locked in for 2026.

And it may not be as simple a call as you’d first think. The decision to pick up team options for Marshon Lattimore and Ryan Ramczyk was an easy one, and you have to think that’s what the Saints hoped for when they drafted Olave and Penning back-to-back a few years later. Things just haven’t gone that way.

The formula for determining how much these fifth-year options are worth has gotten a little complicated. The latest NFL collective bargaining agreement introduced different categories for payouts determined by play time and Pro Bowl appearances, but the two Saints players we’re looking at fall into the lowest tier. That’s been summarized by Over The Cap’s experts as “Players who do not meet any of the requirements below will be eligible for a fifth year base salary calculated from the average of the 3rd to 25th highest salaries at their position over the past five seasons.”

Neither Olave nor Penning have made a Pro Bowl yet. They also haven’t met criteria for playtime due to injuries or, in Penning’s case, being benched midway through his second season. Because of those qualifiers and the rising wages of veteran players at each position, OTC estimates the 2026 salary cap cost to pick up Penning’s fifth-year option is actually higher than Olave’s — $17,412,000 for the offensive lineman compared to $15,161,000 for the wide receiver. All of that money is guaranteed and while it can be restructured (as the Saints did before with Marcus Davenport), it’s still a heavy lump to take.

Let’s be honest: Penning hasn’t played well enough to earn that fifth season in black and gold just yet. The better move is to decline the option and have him play out a contract year in 2025 with a new coaching staff (and maybe another new position if he’s moved inside to guard). He showed enough growth last year to warrant a longer look at right tackle, and he at least won’t be seen as a cuts candidate going into training camp. But beyond that, he hasn’t earned much trust. The Saints need to see it to believe it, and so do we.

Now what about Olave? It’s his health that makes this a question. A series of concussions limited him to just eight games last year, but he was averaging his lowest numbers in receiving yards (50.0) and receptions (4.0) per game even when he was healthy and available. He hasn’t been able to play a full 17-game season since the Saints drafted him. You don’t want to hold that against him too strongly, and context matters here.

If the Saints do pick up Olave’s option he would have a salary cap charge of about $15.1 million in 2026. Right now, that would rank 15th among his peers at wide receiver, and that’s before big names like Tee Higgins, Chris Godwin, and Amari Cooper sign lucrative contracts this spring. If Olave can stay healthy and produce in another new offense, that could end up looking like a bargain. But if his long-term health is a concern and so is his ability to reliably play like a top-15 receiver? Then it becomes a more fraught decision.

So right now we’re leaning towards declining Penning’s option but picking up Olave’s. What would you do? The Saints have months to decide, and they can’t take these decisions likely.

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Cameron Jordan salary: How much money did Saints DE make this season?

How much money did the New Orleans Saints pay Cameron Jordan last season? And how much are they on the hook for in 2025?

There have been a lot of New Orleans Saints franchise legends and mainstays make their ways out of town in the last few years, but at least one name has remained a constant: Cameron Jordan.

This past season was Jordan’s 14th season with the Saints and unfortunately, it was one of his weakest. It is understandable, given that he is 35, that some regression has started to hit. He played a career-low 48% of snaps last year and didn’t really make an impact until late in the season.

Jordan finished the year with 34 tackles, seven for a loss and four sacks. Though those numbers don’t jump off the page, his contract numbers certainly do.

This is how much the veteran defensive end made this season, according to the experts with OverTheCap:

Cameron Jordan 2024-2025 salary

Jordan signed a two-year, $26.5 million contract extension back in August of 2023 that will keep him in New Orleans through the end of 2025.

His base salary in 2024 was $1,210,000. His total cap hit amounted to $13,852,250, though when accounting for the prorated signing bonus of $12,642,250.

How much will Cameron Jordan make next season?

His base salary will be $12,500,000 and then his prorated signing bonus of $7,561,000 will push his cap hit to $20,061,000. That’s second-highest on the team, and it’s clear a decision is coming on what to do about it.

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Alvin Kamara salary: How much money did Saints RB make this season?

How much money did New Orleans Saints running back Alvin Kamara make this past season? And what are the Saints paying him in 2025?

Not much has remained consistent for the New Orleans Saints since the end of the Drew Brees and Sean Payton era, but the dominance of Alvin Kamara has.

Kamara finished this season with 228 carries for 950 yards and six touchdowns. He also caught 68 passes for 543 yards and two more scores. It was almost his first career 1,000-yard campaign and it was short due to injury. While he is one of the team’s highest paid players, it is safe to say that it is money well spent.

This is how much the star running back made this season, according to the experts with OverTheCap:

Alvin Kamara 2024-2025 salary

This past year was the final season of his rookie extension he signed back in 2020.

His base salary in 2024 was $4,710,000. He also received a bonus of $1,000,000 with an extra $500,000 for each game that he played in (14). He was given a $100,000 workout bonus for participating in the offseason workout program.

Kamara’s total cap hit amounted to $16,193,236, when accounting for the prorated signing bonus of $9,971,471.

How much will Alvin Kamara make next season?

Kamara signed a two-year, $23.5 million contract extension back in October of 2024 that will keep him in New Orleans through 2026.

His base salary will be $2,990,000 and then his prorated signing bonus of $7,133,471 will push his cap hit to $10,123,471.

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Derek Carr salary: How much money did Saints QB make this season?

How much money did the New Orleans Saints pay franchise quarterback Derek Carr this past season? And what are they on the hook for in 2025?

The New Orleans Saints offense struggled with injuries across the board this season, but one of the more impactful ones was franchise quarterback Derek Carr.

Carr’s tenure with the Saints has been off to an unfortunate start and him playing only 10 games this season did not help his case. Of course, his play being subpar when he is healthy probably hurts even more.

With the way his contract is structured, New Orleans is stuck with him for at least one more season. They will be entering the third year of his contract, though, with moving on becoming much more realistic after the season.

For now, the Saints will have to just eat the money and deal with the contract coming back to bite them.

This is how much Carr made in 2024 according to the experts over at OverTheCap:

Derek Carr 2024-2025 salary

Carr signed a now-infamous four-year, $150 million contract with New Orleans out of free agency back on March 6, 2023. He was given a signing bonus of $28.5 million.

The deal guaranteed him $60 million fully guaranteed at signing with up to $100 million becoming guaranteed by the end of his deal. That included his 2023 and 2024 base salaries as well as roster bonuses for sticking around past 2025 March, which looks increasingly likely.

Carr’s base salary for 2024 was $1.21 million. His full hit against the Saints’ cap for 2024 was only $12.668 million, but that is set to make a big increase next for the next two years.

How much will Derek Carr make next season?

Carr will receive a base salary of $30 million next year to go along with a $10 million roster bonus. His cap hit will jump up to $51.548 million. If he were to be cut before June 1, the Saints would have to eat $50.132 million of dead money.

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Saints’ projected salary cap space after Ryan Ramczyk news

Ryan Ramczyk agreed to cut his 2025 salary this week, which sets him up for retirement. But how does it set up the Saints and the salary cap?

Ryan Ramczyk agreed to cut his 2025 salary this week, which sets him up for retirement. But how does it set up the New Orleans Saints and the salary cap? Let’s break it down.

To start, Ramczyk agreed to waive his $18 million base salary for the 2025 season in exchange for the veteran’s minimum at $1,255,000. Because he’s being forced into a medical retirement, he isn’t getting that money either way, but doing it like this gives the Saints immediate savings of about $16.7 million.

That left Ramczyk with a $12.3 million cap hit, and it puts the Saints at roughly $326 million in cap commitments for 2025. The NFL hasn’t yet announced where the cap will be this offseason but most experts agree it will fall at about $270 million. That means the Saints are probably in the hole by $56 million, or somewhere close to it.

This was just the first of several expected moves they’ll make this offseason. Restructures are coming for young, productive players — guys like Erik McCoy (saving up to $6.7 million), Cesar Ruiz ($5.2 million), and Carl Granderson ($5.2 million). Tougher decisions are ahead for older veterans like Cameron Jordan, Taysom Hill, Demario Davis and Tyrann Mathieu, all of whom have salary cap hits between $20 million and $10 million.

And the elephant in the room is Derek Carr. He has the biggest cap hit on the team at $51.4 million, and he’s made it clear he won’t accept a pay cut. The Saints could restructure his deal and save $30 million but that effectively locks him in as their starting quarterback for 2025 and 2026. Don’t bet on him waiving his no-trade clause to join a new team, either. It’ll cost as much to cut him as to keep him, at least until June 2, but that would mean finding a way to get under the cap and work through free agency and the NFL draft with a $51.4 million albatross around the neck. That just isn’t realistic.

The decisions Mickey Loomis has made have put the Saints in a bind. Overpaying Carr like this and restructuring aging players so many times has taken a toll, and now the Saints have to pay it.

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It doesn’t sound like the Saints are moving on from Derek Carr in 2025

It doesn’t sound like the Saints are moving on from Derek Carr in 2025. ESPN reports the team’s salary cap constraints won’t allow it:

Dennis Allen won’t be returning to the New Orleans Saints in 2025, but the quarterback he recruited appears to be here to stay. ESPN’s Adam Schefter shared some insight on what’s in the plans for the black and gold, and it doesn’t sound like Derek Carr will be leaving the team after a couple of rough seasons.

Derek Carr’s contract and this spring’s planned restructure, combined with the Saints’ tight salary cap situation, mean there may not be much appetite in letting him go.

“Because this team is so strapped against the cap, Derek Carr is in line to be back next year. They don’t have a lot of flexibility, he makes the most sense, and it certainly looks like he could be back next season even though he is inactive tonight,” Schefter said.

Carr missed Monday night’s game with the Green Bay Packers after fracturing a bone in his non-throwing hand diving for a first down a few weeks back, and it’s unlikely he’ll be able to suit up again in 2024. But it isn’t expected to linger into 2025, and based off what he’s heard Schefter expects Carr to remain under center in New Orleans.

That wouldn’t be a popular move for a Saints fanbase that has pretty publicly expressed frustration with Carr’s play; he made some strides with Klint Kubiak replacing Pete Carmichael at offensive coordinator, averaging the second-best touchdown rate and passer rating of his career. But he’s clocked just 214.5 passing yards per game, the second-lowest pace of his career. They haven’t won many games because of him.

And Schefter has a point about the cap implications of offloading Carr’s contract. Odds are he won’t agree to waive his no-trade clause, and cutting him would double the dead money the Saints already have on the books for 2025 — and that $48.4 million figure for Marshon Lattimore, Michael Thomas, and Jameis Winston already leads the league. It would be incredibly difficult to make competitive offers in free agency with $100 million tied up in money for players not on the team.

So Carr will likely be back in 2025. So will Spencer Rattler and Jake Haener. But who would a new head coach be starting? Carr would be a highly-paid backup, and agreeing to start him because of that may be a stipulation for a new coach. That could turn off some attractive coaching candidates, but crazier things have happened in the NFL. Stay tuned to see how this all unfolds.

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How trading Marshon Lattimore impacts the Saints salary cap

How does trading Marshon Lattimore impact the Saints salary cap? There’s little change this year, but they have to take their medicine in 2025:

The New Orleans Saints shifted gears and finally traded star cornerback Marshon Lattimore this week, just before the NFL trade deadline, sending thee playmaker to the Washington Commanders in exchange for multiple draft picks. But that isn’t the only cost of trading him. How did this move impact the Saints’ tense salary cap situation?

In brief, this will be felt for years. There isn’t much of a difference on 2024’s accounting since we’re in the middle of the season. Washington is paying the rest of Lattimore’s salary, saving the Saints about $605,000, but since he restructured his contract already they’re stuck with most of the dead money from those guarantees.

Let’s start with the bad news. The Saints are taking their medicine in 2025 with Lattimore counting against the cap by a whopping $31.6 million. Next year’s salary cap is projected to rise to about $273.3 million, but we won’t know the final number until the offseason. If it doesn’t move at all (it won’t), Lattimore’s dead money figure would take up 12.4% of this year’s cap, which was set at $255.4 million. If models are accurate, it’ll be almost 11.6% of the cap next year in 2025.

But the Saints shaved off more than $28 million from their 2026 salary cap spending. The cap is projected to reach as high as $292.4 million by then, which means their current cap commitments (about $237.9 million) are well beneath the spending limit. Inevitable restructures, free agent signings, and the next draft class will change that figure but so will any retirements and roster cuts this spring. We’re talking two years out so of course there’s going to be a lot of uncertainty.

This is a step in the right direction. The Saints didn’t get better by trading their best defender (if not their best player regardless of position), but their finances are going to improve. So is their ability to retain talent and sign upgrades in free agency. This is what a rebuild looks like. It isn’t pretty, and it won’t wrap up overnight. But the Saints tried the alternative — which blew up in their faces by hiring the wrong head coach and drafting the wrong players. So now they have to take the long, hard road back to success.

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Early extension saved Saints a ton of money against the 2025 salary cap

An early extension with Alvin Kamara saved the Saints a ton of money against the 2025 salary cap. Next year’s cap gymnastics just got easier:

Now that’s some crafty accounting, but we’ve come to expect it from the New Orleans Saints. Alvin Kamara reached an agreement on a two-year extension with the Saints this week, and NFL Network’s Tom Pelissero reports that the move is saving the team some money when it comes to the 2025 salary cap. Kamara’s early extension opened up about $18 million in savings on next year’s spending limit.

So how did the Saints manage to pay Kamara more money while spending less against the cap? We’ll know more when further details are shared about his deal’s structure, but NewOrleans.Football’s Nick Underhill shares that it includes a $15.5 million signing bonus and $22.23 million in guarantees.

Kamara was initially on the books for 2025 at a staggering cap hit north of $29 million, with $25 million of it non-guaranteed, which made him a possible salary cap casualty. Instead, the Saints guaranteed a big portion of it but spread it out as a signing bonus (likely with their signature automatically-voiding “ghost years” tacked on).

The end result? Kamara’s 2025 cap hit should now fall at around $11 million, which is very manageable. And the Saints should now have somewhere close to $324 million in cap liabilities. Depending on where you look the 2025 salary cap is projected to rise to as high as $273 million, though more conservative models put it at just $260 million. The Saints still need to clear  at least $64 million before they can turn to signing new players, but that’s a problem for another day.

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Saints restructure Juwan Johnson’s contract to open up some cap space

The Saints restructured Juwan Johnson’s contract to open up some cap space before the regular season starts:

https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1831452392011002098

The NFL regular season is upon us, and some teams are completing last-minute moves to cut new deals and work around the salary cap — including the New Orleans Saints. ESPN’s Field Yates reports that the Saints restructured their contract with tight end Juwan Johnson to free up $3.5 million in salary cap space.

Remember, this isn’t a raise or a pay cut. Johnson is just getting money he was already owed paid out in a different way. For the Saints, the goal was to save $3.5 million against the salary cap. The consequence? If Johnson does not sign an extension next year and leave in free agency, it’ll leave behind about $6 million in dead money. That’s nothing compared to the hefty cap hits left behind for departed free agents like Andrus Peat ($13.6 million), Michael Thomas ($11.1 million), David Onyemata ($10.1 million) and Marcus Davenport ($7.6 million), but it’s still something you’d like to avoid.

Hopefully Johnson performs well in Klint Kubiak’s offense and earns a new deal. Getting him under contract for the foreseeable future as a playmaking tight end and reliable weapon for Derek Carr (or whoever is under center in New Orleans by 2025) would be nice. But those are questions to be answered tomorrow. For today, the Saints are happy to have a little more financial flexibility, while Johnson is happy to have a little more financial security.

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Bleacher Report says Saints have given out two of the worst contracts in the NFL

Bleacher Report says the Saints have given out two of the worst contracts in the NFL. We won’t argue about Derek Carr, but they need to lay off of Taysom Hill:

It’s June, which means it’s time for NFL writers to sit back and browse Over The Cap so they can grade teams’ homework. And as always, they’re quick to criticize how the New Orleans Saints spend their money. Bleacher Report’s David Kenyon says the Saints have given out two of the worst contracts in the NFL.

We won’t argue about Derek Carr, but they need to lay off of Taysom Hill. Here’s why Kenyon ranks Hill’s contract sixth-worst in the league:

I’m sure I’ve said it before: The idea of Taysom Hill has consistently been more exciting than his actual performance.

Sure, he had a career-best season with 692 scrimmage yards last season. His versatility is both fascinating and useful for the New Orleans Saints, who utilize Hill at four offensive positions and on special teams.

He is simply not worth the price, however.

This season, after restructuring his contract for a third straight year, the Saints are staring at a $9.2 million cap number. That figure ascends to nearly $18 million in 2025, although New Orleans could—and probably should—make him a post-June 1 cut to save $10 million.

Hill can catch on elsewhere next offseason, but he’s too expensive for someone who might play 50 percent of snaps.

Let’s check those numbers. Of the 184 players with a cap hit over $9 million, including Hill, 99 of them play offense, and 19 of them are starting quarterbacks. Remove the quarterbacks and offensive linemen and you’re left with 42 skills position players who make up Hill’s peers. And out of that group, he’s one of 21 who scored at least six touchdowns last season. Whittle it down further and you’ll find he tied with Courtland Sutton in converting 37 first downs as a runner and receiver, ahead of guys like David Njoku (35) and Mark Andrews (27, though he missed seven games with an injury). That’s right behind Cole Kmet (38) and Brandin Cooks (39). Hill may not draw a hundred targets or a dozen carries per game, but he consistently makes plays when given an opportunity.

The Saints aren’t paying Hill to be an every-down player; they value his utility and work on special teams on top of what he can do with the ball in his hands. And if early returns at spring training is anything to go off of, he’ll have a heavier workload with Klint Kubiak calling plays instead of Pete Carmichael. NFL writers like to point to 49ers fullback Kyle Jusczyk, an eight-time Pro Bowler, as an example of how Hill ought to be used (and, that implies, paid). Jusczyk has earned $40.57 million in his NFL career. Hill has brought in $42.67 million while scoring more touchdowns and gaining more yards than Jusczyk in 83 fewer games, including the playoffs. Still, Kubiak is installing some plays that Jusczyk ran well and that could put Hill in a better position to make more plays.

But enough about Hill. Kenyon ranked Derek Carr’s contract third-worst in the NFL, and he isn’t wrong to do so:

You’d think the perpetual state of living in salary-cap hell would be exhausting for New Orleans, right?

As usual, nonetheless, the Saints used restructures to open space for the next season. This year, it was an expected adjustment with Derek Carr to clear $23 million in 2024.

However, the change also increased his upcoming cap hits to north of $50 and 60 million in 2025 and 2026, respectively. There’s no realistic “out” until 2027, and that assumes no updates to his deal next offseason—which, again, is usually not how New Orleans operates.

Even if the Saints were to make him a post-June 1 cut, their best-case scenario is more than $21 million in dead cap in 2025.

The Saints gave Carr a big bag last season, telling their fans and all the world that they believed Carr was good enough to be the face of their franchise; someone who was talented enough to fix an underperforming offense and guide them back to the playoffs. That didn’t happen. Carr’s shortcomings got the entire offensive coaching staff fired at the end of the year and the Saints are stuck with him for at least another season. Meanwhile, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers got back to the postseason with Baker Mayfield playing on a $4 million deal after being cast out by his old team just like Carr.

At least the early word out of spring practices is encouraging. Carr hasn’t seemed to experience as many of the early struggles he’s known for when learning a new system, and Kubiak’s emphasis on motion and play action passing — something Carr has executed well throughout his career — could be good for him. It needs to be. Because, as Kenyon said, the Saints are going to be starting Carr in 2024 and likely 2025, too. Maybe Jake Haener or Spencer Rattler develops into someone who could viably take Carr’s job in a year or two, but that’s a long time to sit around and wait. It’s best for everyone if Carr picks up Kubiak’s offense quickly and dispels the narratives surrounding him. Until that happens his contract is going to keep weighing the team down.

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