After the James Harden trade, what’s next for Bradley Beal, Ben Simmons, Andre Drummond and Victor Oladipo?

What’s next for James Harden and Victor Oladipo after the trade, and possible destinations for Ben Simmons, Bradley Beal and Andre Drummond.

On this episode of the HoopsHype podcast, Michael Scotto is joined by colleague Yossi Gozlan, our salary cap expert. Scotto and Gozlan discuss what’s next for the Nets, Rockets, Pacers, and Cavaliers after the James Harden four-team blockbuster trade. The duo also examines Harden, Kevin Durant, and Kyrie Irving will mesh in Brooklyn and what potential extensions could look like for the Nets and their luxury tax bills. They also look at the trade market for Ben Simmons, Bradley Beal, and Andre Drummond, and the upcoming free agency of Victor Oladipo. Listen to the podcast above or check out some snippets of the conversation in a transcribed version below.

2:45 What could an extension look like for James Harden with the Brooklyn Nets? 

Gozlan: If he (Harden) wanted to maximize his money, the best thing for him would be to sign an extension where he opts into his $47 million player option for 2022-23 (season) and then adds an additional three years. Because he’ll have two years after this, including the player option, he can add an additional three more years starting this summer. That would be for about $161 million. Then, Kyrie and KD can both sign extensions as well. KD can add four years, $198 million. Kyrie can add four years, $165 million. I have both of them in those extension numbers declining their options for 2022-23 (season), but just replace it with a slightly higher raise than what those player option amounts would be. So about $160 million basically for Harden and Kyrie each and almost $200 million for KD. Those extensions put all of them through 2026. Just so you get an idea how expensive it’s going to be to keep these three, and I’m going to go ahead and say they’re going to get the maximum extensions… Next year, they’re already combined about $15 million below the luxury tax, just them three, alone. Let’s say they sign these max extensions that put them through 2026. KD would be making $55 million in 2026, Harden would be making $58 million, and Kyrie would be making $45.5 million.

6:15 Luxury tax implications and future revenue for the Brooklyn Nets 

9:15 What assets do the Nets have to make a trade? 

Scotto: A younger guy like Nic Claxton. I know that teams around the league from when I was at the arena last year would always come where opposing scouts and executives when Claxton would warm up. He was a guy that drew some interest from teams around the league because he came out a lot of people felt he came out maybe a year early. If he would’ve stood another year in college, he would’ve been a lottery pick. I think that’s an interesting guy that’s a trade chip they still have if they want to flip down the line.

10:20 Brooklyn had interest in acquiring Bradley Beal if he was ever made available before trading for Harden

Scotto: Internally, there were some members of the Nets organization who coveted Bradley Beal. A similar package of Caris LeVert, Jarrett Allen, some salary fillers, and draft pick compensation that they gave up for Harden would’ve been on the table for Beal with the Washington Wizards too. However, members of the Wizards organization weren’t as high on LeVert or Allen, to my knowledge. Washington still wants to hold onto Beal, and they want to make it work with him looking ahead long term.

11:45 Did the Nets give up too much for Harden? 

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16:00 What the small mass on Caris LeVert’s left kidney could mean long-term 

Scotto: The Pacers could’ve voided the trade, and they didn’t. Hopefully, that signals from their medical staff and the doctors who did the physical that I’d hope there’s some optimism for his health moving forward long-term.

17:50 What the 76ers failing to trade for Harden means for Ben Simmons 

More: NBA executives sound off on Simmons and 76ers for failing to trade for Harden

22:45: Is Bradley Beal the next All-Star who will be moved by the trade deadline? 

Scotto: He’s the guy that I think a lot of executives around the league are keeping a close eye on. That’s really the next star player that could be on the move and a guy that can make a difference for a franchise.

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26:25 More teams who could have interest in trading for Beal 

33:55 Which teams could make sense to trade for Andre Drummond? 

36:10 What’s Drummond’s value as of now? 

40:45 Victor Oladipo’s future

Scotto: Ryan McDonough, the former GM of the Suns, tweeted Oladipo was offered an extension of about $25 million (starting annual salary), there was fear he’d walk away for nothing, and that was part of the reason why Indiana moved him and got Caris LeVert back. He’s a younger guy, less expensive, and under control.

A league source that I spoke to with knowledge of Indiana’s thinking said that Oladipo was available since September on the trade market.

Gozlan: With Houston getting Oladipo, I’m guessing Oladipo was open to the possibility of a future in Houston. I don’t know why else Houston would’ve taken him instead of keeping LeVert.

Scotto: You could make the case that maybe Houston wasn’t fully enamored with LeVert, and maybe they still want to compete. That said, I don’t think you give up a young guy like that for a guy that’s a free agent that’s going to walk. I think the optics of the situation there’s a possibility Houston thinks Oladipo is a better asset that you can flip at the trade deadline and get more back. If they keep Oladipo past the trade deadline, then there’s pressure from an optics standpoint that you just traded for this guy, and you can’t let him walk. This is a guy that’s in the prime of his career. That would give Oladipo and his camp leverage going into free agency.

Related: Art of the smokescreen: The thought process behind execs and agents leaking info

Related: How NBA players ask for trades: ‘It does get vicious. It’s a divorce’

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What the four-way James Harden trade means for each team

NBA execs explain what the four-team trade between the Nets, Rockets, Pacers and Cavaliers means for James Harden, Victor Oladipo and more.

As you may have heard, the Rockets, Nets, Pacers, and Cavaliers have agreed to a four-team blockbuster trade. James Harden heads to Brooklyn. Victor Oladipo, Dante Exum, Rodions Kurucs, and a ton of draft picks are going to Houston. Caris LeVert and a second-round pick are going to Indiana. Jarrett Allen and Taurean Prince head to Cleveland.

The Nets and 76ers were the two teams battling it out for Harden’s services at the end of the race, but Philly felt the Rockets were using them as leverage to extract as many assets from the Nets, Harden’s preferred destination, a league source told HoopsHype.

According to one executive, Philadelphia blew a chance to improve their options as a contender by failing to land Harden.

“I think Philly missed an opportunity and now is stuck being in the middle of the East,” one Eastern Conference executive told HoopsHype. “They’re not as good as Brooklyn, Milwaukee, Boston, and in the end, Miami. They might just be a No. 5 seed by end of the season. Ben Simmons has not improved in one area of his game at all since coming into the league. He’s the same player today as he was in his rookie year, and teams have figured him out in the playoffs. He’s why they won’t go far.”

HoopsHype spoke with multiple executives about their reactions to the trade and what it means for all four teams that were involved moving forward.

“I like the deal for the Pacers and Houston,” another Eastern Conference executive told HoopsHype. “Brooklyn gave up a king’s ransom. Not sure why Cleveland took on Taurean Prince as well as giving up an unprotected pick swap. Harden is the best player in the deal, but Brooklyn is all in, and they have no protection in the future. Cleveland will look to dump Andre Drummond, and Jarrett Allen has a bright future in the league.”

Below is a breakdown of what the trade means for each team involved.

Art of the smokescreen: The thought process behind execs and agents leaking info

NBA executives and agents explain how smokescreens are leaked to the media and why.

According to NBA agents and executives, fans should have smoke detectors installed in their homes and web browsers while reading rumors during free agency, the draft, and the trade deadline.

HoopsHype spoke with five agents and two executives to learn how a smokescreen, a ruse designed to disguise their real intentions, is leaked during the busiest transactional points of the year.

“Every single executive does, and anyone who tells you they don’t is lying,” one former executive told HoopsHype. “You’re trying to steer people in another direction. All the narratives are total bullsh*t now.”

Rival executives and agents catch each other off guard in their offices as news breaks on Twitter. One executive recalled being stunned several times in his team’s war room during the trade deadline and draft while reading reports about his player and team.

“You just hope the people you’re dealing with are stand up people, but there’s always going to be somebody that puts out some complete bullsh*t that’s not true,” one current Eastern Conference executive told HoopsHype. “I remember saying to myself I’ve been in the room, and I know that was never offered or even presented. There have been situations like that where other teams or an agent will put out complete bullsh*t just to get reactions out of another team or the team that they want the guy traded for or whatever.”

Whether it’s a rival executive looking to stir the pot or an agent helping to shape the trade or free-agent market for his client, usually information is leaked with a purpose in mind.

“Sometimes, it gives you a competitive advantage to get you to where you need to be,” one agent with a decade of experience told HoopsHype. “The whole thing about this business, whether it’s on the basketball, media, or marketing side, is being in control and creating your own narrative. If you’re in a position to be able to do that, whether you’re twisting the truth or not, you could probably do it even after the fact if it doesn’t necessarily go in your favor or accomplish what you want at that specific time.”

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Generally, there are three times when an agent will leak information for a smokescreen. One example is leading up to free agency to build a market and subsequent bidding war for the client. Another example is before the draft to steer a client towards a specific team or draft range to maximize his earnings. Lastly, when a player wants to get traded, as noted in a previous HoopsHype story on how players ask for trades.

“I would always utilize the media of building up a brand up until the free agency to develop their value,” one longtime agent told HoopsHype. “It may be in the context of a media person asking a pending free agent during the season if he plans on re-signing with his team and prepping with the player on how we’d answer it coyly, but with a little bit of a lead. Sometimes, even if you set it up, the answer is, ‘No comment,’ but at least it’s out there now. It pressures a team to think he didn’t give any sort of assuredness on this. We better think about how to re-evaluate this. You want to stir the pot a little bit, but not to the extent that you get pinned down by it either.”

Once the player is in free agency, an agent will try to squeeze teams for the most money they can get by leaking specific organizations who have expressed any level of interest in their client.

“Last year, I put out a team that had interest in my player during his free agency,” one agent bluntly told HoopsHype. “We knew the whole time we weren’t going there, but they had money and wanted him. We met with them a few times, so we knew it would make it believable to other teams. We used them as leverage.”

However, if an agent is not tactful with the smokescreen, it can severely backfire.

“It’s all about creating leverage,” another agent echoed when recalling negotiations for a restricted free agent several years ago. “A lot of these teams are going to do their due diligence and say, ‘That’s bullsh*t. That team doesn’t have the cap space to do this. They don’t have the assets to do this. This guy is f*cking lying.’

Executives also use the media to create leverage with their players and even call up some media members to send out a subliminal message.

One agent said there’s a team he’s dealt with several times that is notorious for putting out smokescreens in the media.

“They put smoke screen stuff in the media all the time,” the agent said. “Then, they’ll call you and say the media is always trying to pit us against each other. You can’t believe what the media is saying. Meanwhile, it’ll be them the whole time. They’ll call a media member, and then the media member will reach out to you.”

When asked how he knew the team was putting out a smokescreen regarding his client, the agent replied, “A reporter told me they reached out, and some of the stuff he had, there’s no way he would have that. I know they do it because the GM called me, and he told me to call a specific reporter and have him put out something about my player coming back to his team.”

That similar sentiment was conveyed by one of the executives during the trade season as well.

“On trades, there will be times where we’d have certain articles written about guys to make them look better than they are to generate interest without saying the guy is available,” one executive admitted to HoopsHype.

Agents return the favor by using smokescreens in the media to help get their clients out of town.

“You let them (media) know, and maybe somebody will write something and say this might be a good fit or say a player is interested,” one agent who has represented several All-Stars told HoopsHype. “Then, people start to talk about it a little bit.”

Here, the agent’s goal is to pressure a team by fleshing out why a player wants to be traded. One example is the reasons why James Harden wanted out of Houston.

“I’d get out there is a lack of confidence in management or a first-time head coach,” one agent said. “You’re not taking a direct shot, so it doesn’t personalize it to some degree, but essentially saying you can’t work with these people, or you want to win now, and my window is closing. It’s a little bit of a backhanded stab, but it’s not a direct cutting of the throat.”

Other times, an agent will put out a smokescreen to protect a player. One agent recalled such an instance during a pre-draft workout for a prospect in Atlanta.

“As soon as he hurt himself, we stopped the workout, and he didn’t do any workouts after that,” the agent said. “Because it was in a private setting and not in a team setting, we were able to withhold that information. I think that happens a lot with players and their injuries.”

Sometimes, an agent will put out a smokescreen that his player has a promise to go to a specific team in the draft as the reasoning for shutting down his remaining workouts.

Conversely, executives will use smokescreens to disguise their level of interest in a player they covet leading up to the draft.

“It’s used around the draft in terms of what players teams are going to see or not see and putting it out there,” one executive explained. “Who did they see twice, and who did they have a lot of phone interviews with? Depending on your draft position, you don’t want people to know who you really like. When you get into the draft, telling a reporter our second-round pick is available to generate some interest and let teams know who may want a second-rounder, call us, ours is available and drive the price up.”

“When you hear this team is high on this or this team is high on that, nine times out of 10, it’s a smokescreen,” the former executive explained. “It’s not that player.”

Related: How NBA players ask for trades: ‘It does get vicious. It’s a divorce’

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How NBA players ask for trades: ‘It does get vicious. It’s a divorce’

NBA executives and agents explain how players ask to be traded, what information gets leaked, and the fallout from the breakup.

Whether it’s a franchise player like James Harden, a role player, or a parent like Marvin Bagley’s dad, trade requests happen.

The reasoning for a trade request can vary from a lack of playing time, unhappiness with management over contract negotiations, the team’s direction, etc.

Once it gets to a boiling point where a player wants out, tensions between the player and his agent with the team’s management and ownership can rise exponentially during in-person meetings and calls over the phone.

“Sometimes, you have to get to the point that you play hardball with the team, and it does get vicious,” one longtime agent told HoopsHype. “It’s a divorce. It’s never a pleasant situation when you’re dealing with high-level players, especially when there’s emotion involved. You have to get vicious at some point. What I’d always try to do was force the player’s temperament and disposition to change to show the team that this is not going to work.”

HoopsHype spoke with an additional three agents and two executives who’ve dealt with trade demands involving players and explained how the request is submitted, why sometimes it leaks to the media, and the fallout.

Generally, a player’s trade request begins by an agent calling a general manager and speaking over the phone or a face-to-face meeting between the two parties.

“I’m pretty straight forward,” another agent said. “That’s how I operate. If a client wants to be traded, I’m going to tell the team he wants to get traded. I’m not going to dance around the subject and be pretty straight forward about it and let it be known that’s what we’re looking to do, and in these scenarios, we’ll work with you in terms of what would make sense for you guys as well.”

If talks on a trade request don’t progress, usually the player is brought into the fold, or a meeting is requested with the owner to spur action.

“It depends on the level of the player, but I’ve had players go straight to the owner and request it (a trade),” an agent who represents several All-Stars told HoopsHype. “A lot of times, they (owners) think the agent might be bullsh*tting, so when the player says it himself to the general manager or the owner, they know it’s the real deal.”

Once a player gets involved in discussions with management and ownership, he can provide his agent with intel behind the scenes to present a unified stance on a trade.

“On the high end, I always involved the player because they have to play their role too,” the longtime agent told HoopsHype. “It has to be sort of playing off of each other. I handle the heavy work. You handle the light work. The communication between the coaching staff and the front office with you, how are we handling that? If they are communicating, what are they communicating? Keep me in the loop so they can’t split you up and make it seem like it’s an agent-driven activity.”

James Harden, Houston Rockets

When a player is not as responsive or engaging with management, it forces the organization to wonder what the player is thinking, what the problem is, and if the situation can be resolved.

“Once they get a little bit unnerved, and the axiom tilts toward their insecurity, then you have them,” the longtime agent said.

After a trade request is made, the ball is usually in the team’s court. If the player is in the final year of his contract, the leverage swings to the player. Unless a team is willing to give up assets for a short-term playoff rental, most teams won’t give up assets to acquire a player without some background intel that they can re-sign the player.

The next step is to keep it under wraps for the benefit of both sides to get the deal they want, according to one executive who dealt with the trade request of a Hall of Fame player.

“They (agents) don’t want to put it out in the media first because then it just upsets the team because the team is going to be negotiating from a position of weakness when it’s already out there that the player wants to be traded,” the executive told HoopsHype.

However, as trade discussions move forward between the player’s team and potential trade destinations, there are instances when information is selectively leaked by either the agent or management.

“Depending on the team’s reaction, if it’s not what they want, then they go to the media and put it out there,” another executive told HoopsHype. “A lot of times, if you have a good relationship with the agent, you can say, ‘Alright, let us work on some things. Give us a list of teams you want to go to or what you’re looking for, so we can start to put some stuff together as a group and approach it.’ Sometimes, agents are impatient and want to put it out there.”

Some agents take the executive’s role into their own hands and evaluate what the market could be for their client. The agents evaluate potential teams that have a better opportunity for playing time for their client and crunch their cap space numbers for future contract negotiations.

“You also run the risk that they may trade you to somewhere you don’t want to be traded,” the longtime agent told HoopsHype. “Then, you have to go backdoor and block the teams that you don’t want him to be traded to, so you can narrow the scope. There’s a lot that goes into these things.”

This is when the cat and mouse game between an agent and the executive trying to move the player can come to a breaking point.

“A lot of times what a team will do is they’ll keep it tight and won’t communicate with the agent until it’s too far gone, so the agent can’t muck up the deal if they’re powerful enough to play that role,” the longtime agent told HoopsHype. “Sometimes, the team they’re dealing with will backdoor them and go directly to the agent to get an idea of what’s going on too. If the trade does go down, they don’t want to be caught off guard, then an agent turns around and says, ‘What the f*ck is he doing here? I didn’t want him here in the first place.’”

When it gets out there that a player has requested a trade, it’s harder to get the deal you want as a team

If an agent oversteps and attempts to block a trade that the organization feels is in its best interest, there can be repercussions for the player.

“You’ve also got to be careful because if they’re not going to trade him, you don’t want the player out there where it hits the media that he wants out,” one agent said. “Then, the fans are against him, and there’s just negative energy because they know you don’t want to be there.”

According to another agent who represented a former first-round pick who asked for a trade, the general manager didn’t want to move his client and sent the player to the G League Showcase as punishment for asking to be traded.

Executives will also leak to the media to counter an agent’s attempt to block a deal behind the scenes or gain leverage from other potential suitors in trade talks.

“When it gets out there that a player has requested a trade, it’s harder to get the deal you want as a team,” one executive told HoopsHype. “When an agent does that, then the team starts to put out and use the media to try and get the deal they want by saying other teams offered other things to drive the price up and create a bidding war.”

Carmelo Anthony, New York Knicks

One example was when Carmelo Anthony requested a trade and made it known he wanted to go to the New York Knicks. The Denver Nuggets were fortunate to create a bidding war between the Knicks and Brooklyn Nets. As the offers progressed, they were leaked to the media to build up the best offer. The final straw was New York adding Timofey Mozgov to push the trade through.

Not all trades are facilitated by leaking intel through the media. There are instances when an agent and an executive work together cohesively to get a fair deal for both sides.

“I think you approach it as we want a win-win and make sure it works for both of us so that they get a nice draft pick,” the agent who represents several All-Stars told HoopsHype. “A lot of times, they’ll tell you what they want, and they’ll trade him. Then, you’ve got to go out there if they want two second-round picks or a late first-round pick. Then, you have to go out there and tell them this is what it’s going to take.”

One scenario considered a win-win from all parties involved was the Paul George trade from the Oklahoma City Thunder to the Los Angeles Clippers. George, a California native, was able to return home. The Thunder used valuable intel that Kawhi Leonard wanted to play with George as leverage to acquire a bounty of future first-round picks, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, and more. If the Clippers didn’t land George, Leonard was strongly considering signing with the Lakers.

However, not all sides are usually in sync to get a deal done. One agent recalled a scenario where his star player was getting traded, and three teams were vying for the player in a trade. When one of the teams didn’t land the player, it prompted the general manager to sound off on the agent, who he believed blocked the potential acquisition.

“I remember one executive said, ‘You motherf*cker. You f*cked me over. I’m going to get you.’” the agent said. “I was really caught off guard. I just listened. I let him cuss me out. When he was done, he hung up on me. Then, I didn’t call him after that. About a week later, he called me and apologized for his reaction.”

Some relationships between executives and agents are strained for a prolonged period and affect future free-agent negotiations and other business. Other “divorce” agreements and trade requests are handled amicably, and the sides hold no grudges down the line.

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