Sure bet at Turning Stone: The upstate New York casino resort offers miles of solid golf

The massive casino property is owned and operated by the Oneida Indian Nation of New York.

VERONA, N.Y. – Matt Falvo has a natural way of sauntering around a golf course – armed with an impressive driver, a confident stride and a coy smile. When he’s walking one of the three championship courses at Turning Stone, a casino property in Central New York just east of Syracuse, he’s even more at ease. Now the director of golf courses and grounds, Falvo has worked for nearly a quarter-century at the property and he knows every in and out of this pastoral piece of paradise.

Falvo points to his house while playing the picturesque but inviting Shenendoah course, the one staffers often recommend as the resort’s best starting point. Also, his son is a 6-foot-4 defensive end for the local high school football team, which plays its games at a campus visible from the Turning Stone grounds.

And Falvo can share funny stories about when the complex – part of a massive and expanding casino property owned and operated by the Oneida Indian Nation of New York – was host to the PGA Tour’s Turning Stone Resort Championship from 2007 to 2010. For example, he won’t go into detail about John Daly’s brief appearance in the 2008 event, but when asked if the two-time major winner spent too much time in the casino before his opening round, Falvo stops and smiles.

Turning Stone
Turning Stone

“All I’ll say is this,” Falvo quietly says with a smirk. “He only played seven holes. And it took a while to figure out that he was gone when he left.”

But for all his knowledge about the casino property, one that’s seemingly adding new pieces every summer, Falvo has no desire to trumpet how demanding the resort’s most difficult track is. In fact, he insists it’s not his place to do so. But he does know that when many players come off the Robert Trent Jones Jr.-designed Kaluhyat, they liken it to another famous New York State track nearly 400 miles away.

“It’s not my job to say so, but people love to tell me that this course is harder than Bethpage Black,” Falvo said in his relaxed style. “That’s them. Not me. But I hear it all the time.”

In fact, Kaluhyat’s slope is 145, which makes it one of the state’s toughest courses, although not the 155 of Bethpage Black. But there’s still room for debate about whether it’s as difficult as the municipal course hosting the 2025 Ryder Cup.

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There is no sign warning players how difficult the challenge at Kaluhyat is, but there probably should be. And starters, staffers and pro shop attendants are all quick to check if you’re prepared for the course’s wrath before starting a round. I had three different people ask me if I was prepared to be bludgeoned.

And while it’s certain to damage your handicap, Kaluhyat offers up some incredible views and truly breathtaking holes. The tee box on the second hole is perched high and its fairway is tree-lined and tight, like so many during the round. Precision is truly in demand on this course, but those who find the short stuff can score.

For example, the short par-4 fourth hole teases players into bombing down the left side of the fairway over a small bunker, leaving an easy wedge approach. But even the slightest pull will find not just deep grass, but an impossible line of trees from which to dig your ball. And those who catch a bad break and roll through the fairway can find an equally impossible shot. The safe play is a mid-iron to the right side of the fairway, leaving a good angle and another mid-iron in.

Easy to say, difficult to mentally put into action.

And after you get a little weary from the grind that Kaluhyat delivers, the par-5 No. 13 offers a Bay Hill-like risk-reward, with a lake that allows you to bite off huge chunks if you’ve got the guts and the game.

Turning Stone
Turning Stone

I played with my dad, who was clearly beaten and bruised by the experience, to the point where his normally reserved personality suffered a severe meltdown in a bunker on the incredible 16th hole, a par-4 with a blind tee shot that demands both distance and accuracy. To set up a second shot over a deep ravine, you need to place your tee shot deep and straight, as the fairway narrows approaching the dropoff. Miss even a little with your big stick and the potential to put up a huge number becomes likely.

This exact scenario played out with my father, who pulled his drive a little left and into the thick stuff, then had to lay up to the edge of the ravine. He missed left with his approach and found a massive bunker, and when he caught the top of the lip with his wedge and the ball rolled back to his feet, the nearby maintenance crew heard words I’d never before heard him utter.

Kaluhyat can do that to you.

But the real surprise for those who haven’t done their research is that Kaluhyat is not the course on which the Tour made its presence felt. That distinction lies with Atunyote, a Tom Fazio-designed parkland-style course with wide, gorgeous fairways and a sense that you’ve entered a private world, complete with an exclusive entryway that has almost no signage and a massive gate. To enter you approach a call box, like something from an ’80s CIA movie, and get buzzed through to the pro shop.

But once inside Atunyote, which means “eagle” in Oneida, you can see why this was a great venue for the Tour. Originally, Turning Stone filled in as the host site for the 2006 B.C. Open, after En-Joie near Binghamton – about 90 minutes away – was flooded just months before play was to begin. The site was so satisfactory that the resort was given a full-fledged event for the next few years and Atunyote, which was the site of Dustin Johnson’s first PGA Tour victory in 2008, forever became a piece of professional golf lore.

Turning Stone eventually lost the tournament, but to be fair, the rural setting makes it difficult to attract what the Tour now covets – massive crowds and loads of corporate involvement. The move away had nothing to do with the course, which ranks among the top 10 on Golfweek’s Best top casino tracks.

Turning Stone
Turning Stone Resort Casino in Oneida County, New York.

While the course is open and inviting, it’s anything but easy, as is best evidenced by the par-5 12th hole that forces those with “atunyote” dreams to flirt with a pond that surrounds the right portion of the green. Also, the 14th hole follows a crooked creek that was manipulated by Fazio’s design team after a breathtaking waterfall was installed behind the green.

There is plenty to love about Atunyote, as the experience feels befitting of its place in Tour history (Matt Kuchar also won here), and Fazio’s elaborate touches help make the experience truly world-class.

While Kaluhyat and Atunyote get most of the attention, the popular and playable Shenendoah also offers plenty of bite. The host site for the 2006 PGA National Club Professional Championship, Shenendoah is a fun ride, some parkland-style holes, some with a links feel. As previously mentioned, this a perfect indoctrination into the Turning Stone family, and the closing hole, a long par 5, is a perfect way to prepare for what Kaluhyat and Atunyote have in store.

Of course, Turning Stone is a full-service resort, with impressive accommodations, gaming and the exquisite TS Steakhouse, which sits atop a 21-story tower with sweeping views that stretch as far as Oneida Lake. And there are plans for more additions in the near future, including a $400-million expansion that will add to the resort’s skyline with a new hotel and seafood restaurant that’s expected to rival the steakhouse.

And if the three big courses aren’t enough, Sandstone Hollow is a Rick Smith-designed short course that offers plenty of fun. Oh, and here’s a pro tip: The nine-hole Pleasant Knolls was originally purchased as a nearby addition to be folded into one of the current courses, but instead was maintained and improved upon. The course is a great romp and offers the cheapest beer prices on the complex.

Speaking of prices, how does the entire experience match up with other great golf destinations? As of this story’s publication, you could play rounds at all three of the championship courses, and both of the shorter courses, for about the same price as one round at TPC Sawgrass.

Well, that is if you don’t spend too many hours – like John Daly may or may not have done – at the resort’s many blackjack tables.

Golfweek’s Best 2023: Top 50 casino golf courses in the U.S.

Up for a great mix of casino fun and golf?

Welcome to Golfweek’s Best 2023 Casino Courses in the United States. This list focuses on courses owned and/or operated by or in conjunction with casinos, with data pulled from Golfweek‘s massive database of course rankings.

The hundreds of members of Golfweek‘s course-ratings panel continually evaluate courses and rate them based on our 10 criteria. They also file a single, overall rating on each course. Those overall ratings on each course are averaged to produce a final rating for each that is then used to compile the Golfweek’s Best course rankings.

Listed with each course below is its average rating, location, designer(s) and whether the course is modern (m, built in or after 1960) or classic (c, built before 1960).

* New or returning to the list

Golfweek’s Best 2022: Top public and private courses in Mississippi

Courses owned or operated by casinos make up a healthy percentage of the top public-access courses in Mississippi.

Golf by day, then casino gaming by night? If that’s your kind of sure bet, then Mississippi offers an incredible lineup. Seven of the top 10 public-access golf courses in the state appear on Golfweek’s Best ranking of casino courses in the U.S.

Golfweek’s Best offers many lists of course rankings, with that of top public-access courses in each state among the most popular. All the courses on this list allow public access in some fashion, be it standard daily green fees, through a resort or by staying at an affiliated hotel. If there’s a will, there’s a tee time.

Also popular are the Golfweek’s Best rankings of top private courses in each state, and that list for Mississippi’s private offerings is likewise included below.

(m): Modern course, built in or after 1960
(c): Classic course, built before 1960

Note: If there is a number in the parenthesis with the m or c, that indicates where that course ranks among Golfweek’s Best top 200 modern or classic courses. Rankings for courses that appear on Golfweek’s Best list of top casino courses also are listed when applicable.

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Golfweek’s Best 2020: Top 50 Casino Courses

Shadow Creek extends its run at No. 1, but there were changes this year to Golfweek’s list of best courses owned by casinos in the U.S.

Welcome to Golfweek’s Best Casino Courses in the United States.

This list focuses on courses owned and/or operated by casinos, with data pulled from Golfweek‘s massive database of course rankings. (Pictured atop this story is No. 5 We-Ko-Pa’s Saguaro Course, with the photo courtesy of We-Ko-Pa/Lonna Tucker.)

There was only one change in the top 10 of this list from 2019, with The Preserve in Vancleave, Mississippi, moving to No. 10 on the list, replacing Spirit Hollow in Burlington, Iowa, which slid down a spot to No. 11. There were several shuffles in the next 40 courses, including several courses new or returning to the list.

The hundreds of members of Golfweek‘s course-ratings panel continually evaluate courses and rate them based on our 10 criteria. They also file a single, overall rating on each course. Those overall ratings on each course are averaged to produce a final rating for each that is then used to compile the Golfweek’s Best course rankings.

Each course is listed with its 2019 ranking in parenthesis, an average ranking from all the Golfweek Raters who reviewed it, its location, architect(s) and the year it opened.

For more of our rankings in different categories, click below:

Resurrection in Las Vegas: Wynn Golf Club is back with an in-your-face finisher

LAS VEGAS – Sin City is as subtle as a gold-sequin sport coat. Along the Las Vegas Strip on any given night, water cannons blast skyward to omnipresent musical accompaniment. Crowds of tourists gawk at skimpily dressed street performers. Headliners’ …

LAS VEGAS – Sin City is as subtle as a gold-sequin sport coat.

Along the Las Vegas Strip on any given night, water cannons blast skyward to omnipresent musical accompaniment. Crowds of tourists gawk at skimpily dressed street performers. Headliners’ faces are splashed 50 stories high on casino hotels designed to separate mostly sane people from a chunk of their retirement funds. 

Love it or leave it, it’s all right there in your face. If what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas, that’s because no other place in the U.S. – short of New Orleans during Mardi Gras, maybe? – could handle it. Or just as likely, would want to.

Plopped into this slice of the Mojave Desert, not 500 yards from the Strip, sits the most Vegas of golf holes: a 249-yard par 3 over a pond and creek to a green situated at the base of a roaring man-made waterfall. No. 18 (pictured atop this story) at the newly renovated Wynn Golf Club is a do-or-die kind of challenge, one roll of the dice to win all the money or finish with empty pockets. 

If great golf holes fit seamlessly into their environment – think No. 18 at Pebble Beach or No. 12 at Augusta National– then consider adding this closing one-shotter to the list of must-sees. Like the rest of the Strip, there’s nothing natural about this oasis, meaning it fits perfectly into its brash surroundings. Make a great play on No. 18 and you might – might! – get lucky. Throw out a meek effort and forget about it. The hole is bold, loud, somewhat insane and possibly brilliant, depending on your success. At the least, it’s certainly memorable.

In other words, it’s as Vegas as Vegas can be when it comes to golf course architecture. The hole used to be a par 4 that played over water to the front of that waterfall, but a giant convention center now sits where the old tee box was located. The all-or-nothing par 3 better fits the Vegas vibe anyway.

No. 13 at Wynn Golf Club (Courtesy of Wynn Las Vegas/Brian Oar)

As with the enveloping and ever-changing skyline of the Strip, much of Wynn Golf Club is brand new, despite golf having been played on the site since 1952 when it became the Desert Inn Golf Club. 

Steve Wynn purchased the resort in 2000, and the Tom Fazio-designed Wynn Golf Club opened in 2005. But that layout was shuttered in 2017 as the operators of the adjacent Wynn Las Vegas hotel and casino considered other uses for the ridiculously valuable land on which the course sits, and the resort lost millions of dollars in revenue from green fees and other golf-attributable casino earnings. 

After scrapping plans to build a lagoon on the site with new hotel rooms and restaurants, Fazio and his son, Logan, were called to breathe fresh life into the abandoned track. Wynn Golf Club reopened in October with eight new and 10 refurbished holes, playing to a par of 70 at 6,722 yards. 

 “I think the emotion for the Wynn Golf Club is, it is a very distinct, unique, one-of-a-kind place,” Tom Fazio said. The hotels and casinos and general Las Vegas buzz are ”part of the experience. So I think the Wynn Golf Club … is something that maybe can’t be reproduced.”

The layout ranked ninth in Golfweek’s Best list of casino courses in 2017 before its closure. The reopening date didn’t allow enough time for the renovated Wynn Golf Club to rejoin the Golfweek’s Best list for 2019, but expect to see it back near the top in years to come. 

And while the relatively secluded Shadow Creek north of the Strip long has held the No. 1 spot on the Golfweek’s Best casino list despite allowing few tee times, Wynn Golf Club is taking a different approach. Tee times can be made by resort guests 90 days in advance, and general public play is open with 30-day advanced bookings.

No. 5 at Wynn Golf Club (Courtesy of Wynn Las Vegas/Brian Oar)

With a green fee of $550, Wynn Golf Club clearly is not for everyone. But for deep-pocketed fans of the luxury hotel and its high-stakes gaming rooms, the return of the course offers a fantastic diversion and a chance to tee it up without ever leaving the hustle and bustle of the Strip.

Not that all 18 holes are so over the top as the closer. The first 17 are, for the most part, merely beautiful and unlikely, a respite from canned casino air where high-rollers can see the sun and play the game on surprisingly rolling terrain. 

The course sits on a relatively tight 129 acres, but through some sleight of hand that would make a Vegas magician proud, the holes never seem crowded. There are a few spots where a terribly wayward tee shot can find a neighboring fairway, but the streams and foliage – a very un-desert-like 100,000 shrubs and 7,000 trees – create a separation that feels somewhat natural even if it took a fleet of bulldozers to move all that earth.

“With the creation of the Wynn golf course, the idea was to incorporate not only the challenge from vegetation, but also relief and contour and framing and definition and also some excitement in the terrain,” Fazio said. “So we went from being a flat, narrow golf course (with the Desert Inn) to being a rolling, elevated, framed kind of a setting. So that was really the overall process, a totally different environment.”

Wynn Golf Club (Courtesy of Wynn Las Vegas/Brian Oar)

A shallow valley runs through the center of the property, allowing for several elevated tee shots to fairways that roll down before climbing back to the greens. The player can see it all from most tees – perfect for resort play where golfers aren’t familiar with the layout. There are few tricks, just solid challenges into multi-tiered putting surfaces. 

The newly installed Dominator Bentgrass greens were fully grown-in and in excellent condition for the reopening, as was the rest of the turf of Tifway II Bermuda and seasonal rye overseed. It’s hard to believe such turf could exist at the end of summer in the middle of the desert, and superintendent Jason Morgan deserves a tip of the cap for the superior conditioning.

“There’s so much detail that went into that golf course in a short space of time, and Jason was the guy in the field making it happen,” Fazio said. 

The course’s six par 3s stand out. It might be expected that so many short holes are in play, as land was surrendered to the construction of additional conference space at the resort. Despite the plethora of par 3s, though, this is no sideshow pitch-and-putt. The best of the bunch might not even be the “wow”-inducing 18th but the 209-yard 12th, which drops downhill to a green guarded front and left by a creek. 

“If you had to rank them best to least, it would be hard to do that because there is no least,” Fazio said of these par 3s. “We don’t deal in anything that’s least.”

No. 16 at Wynn Golf Club (Courtesy of Wynn Las Vegas/Brian Oar)

Best and least are opinions, of course, but the hole that might leave a few golf architecture fans scratching their heads is the 442-yard, par-4 14th.

The 14th green runs from high-right to low-left, and mature trees block the left half of the green. Tee shots must be placed well to the right near a bunker if the player is to have any shot at a far-left pin. If a player hits a tee shot down the center of the fairway, a dramatic hook would then be required to feed the ball across the green and reach any hole on the left. A player could try to roll an approach beneath the branches and across several mounds, but that would be the equivalent of splitting a pair of 5s at a blackjack table – just because you can doesn’t mean you should. A safer shot to the right can leave a 50-foot-plus putt. 

Basically, it’s a very hard hole where the strategic demands begin on the tee shot. It’s a big ask for many resort players. 

But, again, that’s Vegas. The odds are never stacked in the player’s favor. It’s best to just take a shot and enjoy a setting that you likely will never forget.

Now about that green fee . . .

Wynn Golf Club has one of the highest costs of a daily-fee course in the U.S., charging $550 in season, $50 higher even than before the course was shuttered in 2017. That sounds prohibitively expensive for many players, but there are plenty of guests in the adjacent Wynn hotel and casino who spin through a lot more on the slot machines in less time than it takes to play a round of golf.

Brian Hawthorne, the resort’s executive director of golf operations, said there’s a lot of value baked into that fee when considering the location on the Strip as well as an all-inclusive experience that includes forecaddie and rental clubs if needed.

“And if you keep somebody from gambling for four and a half hours, we might be saving people money,” he said with a laugh.

So while that kind of green fee is not for every golfer, Hawthorne is right. As he said, “There’s different price points for every type of customer,” and many of the luxury resort’s guests simply aren’t worried about price. This is, after all, a Forbes Five-Star property that uses Rolls-Royce limos to whisk preferred guests back and forth to the airport. 

More options in Vegas

There’s a lot more to Las Vegas than the Strip, and while it might not be a classic golf town, there are plenty of interesting options to keep players out of the casinos. Here’s a sampling from a recent trip:

TPC Las Vegas (Courtesy of TPC Las Vegas)

TPC Las Vegas | Par 71; 7,104 yards

Built in 1996, this Bobby Weed and Raymond Floyd design is about a 25-minute drive west of the Strip near the base of the Red Rock Canyon National Conservation Area.

With plenty of elevation changes, several of the sculpted fairways curve out of sight but with enough room to make a few bad swings and keep playing the same ball. Overall, a fun romp through the desert on a solid design in excellent shape on a course (formerly named TPC at the Canyons) that hosted PGA Tour and PGA Tour Champions events for more than a decade. TPC Las Vegas is No. 13 on Golfweek’s Best Courses You Can Play in Nevada. 

The Wolf at Paiute (Courtesy of Las Vegas Paiute Golf Resort)

The Wolf at Las Vegas Paiute Golf Resort | Par 72; 7,604 yards

The Wolf is the newest (2001) of three Pete Dye tracks at this complex owned and operated by the Las Vegas Paiute Tribe, and this 18 is generally considered the most difficult of the three.

Fairways and playing corridors offer plenty of width, which is welcome as the wind frequently kicks up across the exposed course about 40 minutes north of the Strip. The desert views and isolation are worth the drive, offering a completely different setting devoid of houses and towering hotels.

The conditions are immaculate, but pick the proper set of tees on what the resort calls the longest course in Nevada. The Wolf is No. 9 on Golfweek’s Best Courses You Can Play in Nevada, just ahead of its sister courses (Paiute’s Sun Mountain is No. 10, and the Snow Mountain Course is No. 11).

Bali Hai Golf Club (Courtesy of Bali Hai)

Bali Hai Golf Club | Par 71; 7,002 yards

Located on the south end of the Strip, this fun course is perfectly situated to serve the various groups that frequent its fairways. The halfway house is the property’s nerve center, serving drinks to bachelor parties and corporate golf days.

The Lee Schmidt and Brian Curley layout, which opened in 2000, is near McCarran International Airport and features a fair amount of elevation changes and some 4,000 trees that help create separation in the often forgiving playing corridors.

With a green fee that can be less than a quarter of the price to play the newly reopened Wynn Golf Club, it’s a solid choice. Bali Hai is No. 47 on Golfweek’s Best list of casino courses.