Lilly King slams ‘bull-[expletive]’ mentality of not celebrating silver and bronze medals at Olympics

Lilly King wishes Olympic silver and bronze medals were celebrated like golds.

Swimmer Lilly King often candidly calls it like she sees it — whether she’s talking about Olympic athletes doping, being the “bad guy” in the pool or making very bold predictions.

So when it came to the popular American sentiment that any Olympic performance less than a gold medal-winning one is a loss, King didn’t hold back. She called that mentality “bulls—,” Yahoo Sports reported from Tokyo, after she and teammate Annie Lazor won silver and bronze medals, respectively, in the 200-meter breaststroke Friday morning at the Tokyo Olympics (Thursday night in the U.S.).

From the U.S. women’s gymnastics team winning the silver medal in the team competition to Katie Ledecky finishing second in the 400-meter freestyle to Team USA’s softball squad, reactions and headlines had a common theme: They “settled” for silver.

Here’s what King said, via Yahoo Sports:

“Excuse my French,” she said, “but the fact that we don’t celebrate silver and bronze is bulls—. …

“Just because we compete for the United States, and maybe we have extremely high standards for this sort of thing, that doesn’t excuse the fact that we haven’t been celebrating silver and bronze as much as gold.”

The “if you’re not first, you’re last” approach doesn’t work in the Olympics.

Sure, winning Olympic gold might be the ultimate goal, but being on the podium at a major international event like the Olympics is a huge accomplishment — as is qualifying for the Games at all — and one that should be celebrated, even if the athletes went in competing to win it all.

Gymnast Jordan Chiles addressed how her team’s silver medal was being talked about in an interview with NBC this week, saying in part:

“We still got a medal for the United States of America. For the medal count, it’s a huge thing, but in our minds, this silver medal is a gold medal. We didn’t just get silver, we won silver.”

Before finishing second to South Africa’s Tatjana Schoenmaker in the 200 breaststroke, King won the bronze medal in the 100-meter breaststroke — one of two events she won gold in the event at the 2016 Rio Games — after finishing behind Schoenmaker and gold medal-winner 17-year-old Lydia Jacoby. King said she was disappointed in herself, but she didn’t show it and spoil Jacoby’s special moment.

But that doesn’t mean King is indifferent about her bronze medal, and after finishing 12th in the 200 breaststroke in Rio, the two-time Olympian is pretty happy with silver this summer.

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“I might be more happy with this medal than I’ve been with any of my previous medals, including the two golds in Rio,” King said. “We really should be celebrating those silver and bronzes, because those are some of the greatest moments of that athlete’s career, and why would we not celebrate that?”

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South Africa’s Tatjana Schoenmaker had a heartwarming moment with Lilly King, teammates after breaking 200 breaststroke WR

What a wonderful moment.

The women’s 200-meter breaststroke final at the Tokyo Olympics was filled with excitement as South African swimmer Tatjana Schoenmaker won gold and broke the world record with a speedy 2:18.95 swim, just ahead of Americans Lilly King and Annie Lazor, who won silver and bronze, respectively

While it looked like Schoenmaker knew she won the gold medal Friday morning in Japan (Thursday night in the U.S.), it seemingly took her a second to realize she broke the world record — the first individual world record broken in the pool at these Games.

But when she did, Schoenmaker’s reaction was priceless as she screamed and began crying before Lazor wrapped her arm around the gold-medal winner.

And then in a truly heartwarming moment, King and South African swimmer Kaylene Corbett, who finished fifth, joined Schoenmaker and Lazor, and the foursome celebrated their Olympic swims together.

They all seemed genuinely happy for each other but especially for Schoenmaker, who still seemed to be in disbelief over her record-breaking race.

These athletes are, of course, super competitive, but it’s always sweet when they can celebrate each other’s success too.

With the silver medal and a time of 2:19.92 — nearly a second behind Schoenmaker — King won her first 200 breaststroke medal at an international meet after finishing 12th in the event at the 2016 Rio Games. Lazor, King’s training partner, won her first Olympic medal at her first Games with a time of 2:20.84.

Earlier this week, King also won the bronze medal in the 100-meter breaststroke behind silver medalist Schoenmaker and 17-year-old Alaska native Lydia Jacoby.

And the two American breaststrokers continued expressing their support and love for each other in their on-deck interview with NBC after the race.

“I wouldn’t have done that if [Lazor] wasn’t right there next to me,” King told NBC. “This is what we’ve been working for, and I’m so proud.”

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6 questions with Team USA swimmers, including what event they’d want to add to the Olympics

We asked some Team USA swimmers these roundtable questions about the Olympics.

The Tokyo Olympics’ swimming lineup this week has some new events added to the mix with the women’s 1,500-meter freestyle, the men’s 800-meter freestyle and the 4×100-meter mixed medley relay. But what events would some of Team USA’s top swimmers like to see added next? We found out.

Ahead of the Summer Games, For The Win asked several swimmers a variety of questions to help fans get to know them a little better. We asked about how they train, other Olympic events they think it’d be cool to compete in, what they think about while staring at the bottom of a pool for hours every day and more.

Here are the Team USA swimmers included in this roundtable, along with the (mostly) individual events they’re competing in at the Tokyo Olympics and the results if the event final has already taken place:

  • Katie Ledecky — 200 free (5th), 400 free (silver), 800 free, 1,500 free (gold)
  • Caeleb Dressel — 50 free, 100 free (gold), 100 butterfly
  • Simone Manuel — 50 free
  • Ryan Murphy — 100 backstroke (bronze), 200 backstroke
  • Allison Schmitt — 200 free (11th)
  • Lilly King — 100 breaststroke (bronze), 200 breaststroke
  • Torri Huske — 100 butterfly (4th)
  • Natalie Hinds — 4×100 free relay (bronze)
  • Michael Andrew — 50 free, 100 breaststroke (4th), 200 IM

These answers have been condensed and edited for clarity.

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17-year-old Alaskan swimmer Lydia Jacoby stunned Lilly King, swimming world with 100 breaststroke gold

Lydia Jacoby won Olympic gold!

Lydia Jacoby is the first swimmer from Alaska to compete at the Olympics, and the 17 year old shocked the women’s 100-meter breaststroke field Tuesday morning in Tokyo (Monday night in the U.S.).

She shot to the front of the field at the very end of the intense 100 breaststroke and won gold ahead of South Africa’s Tatjana Schoenmaker and fellow American and world record-holder Lilly King.

After the first 50 meters, Schoenmaker and King had control of the race and were 1-2 going into the turn, as King trailed by .30 seconds. But Jacoby was right there with them in third and behind Schoenmaker by just .33 seconds.

Even by the 75-meter mark, it looked like Schoenmaker and King would battle it out for gold and silver. And then Jacoby absolutely surged.

With long, gliding strokes, Jacoby — who’s also just the second Alaska native to compete in the Summer Games in any event, per NBC — out-paced Schoenmaker and King in the final 25 and pulled ahead in the final few meters for a wild finish. She out-touched Schoenmaker by .27 seconds.

Jacoby’s gold medal-winning time was 1:04.95, with  going 1:05.22 and King — who won the 100 breaststroke gold at the 2016 Rio Olympics — putting up 1:05.54.

King’s world record is 1:04.13, and Schoenmaker set the event’s Olympic record in prelims at 1:04.82.

And even Jacoby’s reaction made it seem like she stunned herself too.

After the race when NBC asked Jacoby how she pulled out the win, she said:

“I don’t know. I definitely stretched myself out yesterday, so I was just trying to feel good, feel healthy going into it.”

As the gold- and bronze-medal winners were interviewed by NBC, King praised her teammate and said: “This kid just had the swim of her life.”

Jacoby’s many fans in Alaska also had a delightfully priceless reaction to her gold-medal swim.

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How U.S. Olympic swimmer Lilly King became the queen of psyching out her opponents

“I like to know that people are scared to race me,” Lilly King said.

With one finger wag at the 2016 Rio Olympics, swimmer Lilly King became a viral sensation. And by the time the then-19-year-old swimmer left the Games with two gold medals in hand — one for the 100-meter breaststroke and another for the 4×100-meter medley relay — she was one of the sport’s biggest stars.

At the time when King wagged her finger at rival Yulia Efimova — the Russian breaststroker who had previously been penalized for anti-doping violations — she didn’t realize the moment was captured on camera.

But, as she told NBC Sports, it highlighted her “alter ego” in the ready room, which significantly differs from her personality away from the pool, and now, she embraces being the “bad guy in the pool” because she says it’s empowering.

“I always like to say that I like to win the race before it starts,” King recently told For The Win.

“I like to know that I’m in control of the heat. I like to know that people are scared to race me, and knowing that your competitors are feeling all those different emotions before potentially the biggest race of their life makes you feel pretty good about yourself. So definitely, at least for me, makes me feel very sure of what I’m doing. So I think it just gives me confidence and helps me race faster.”

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Now 24 years old and headed to her second Olympics, whatever King is doing for herself (and to her opponents) is working.

The Evansville, Indiana native qualified for Tokyo in the 100-meter and 200-meter breaststroke (she finished 12th in the latter in Rio). She’s the reigning world champ in the 100 and the 50-meter breaststroke — the 50 isn’t offered at the Olympics — and won the trials final in the 100 with a time of 1:04.79, which is nearly seven tenths off her own 1:04.13 world record.

King also owns five of the seven fastest times in the world this year in the 100, so she’s a strong favorite to successfully defend her Olympic title.

She also predicted that the American women could win every individual Olympic gold medal.

“What I love about what Lilly said is that is who she is,” said Greg Meehan, Team USA’s women’s swimming head coach.

“That is her personality. She is competitive. She is someone that we want on Team USA. She’s great on relays. And regardless of the context of that, the reality is that competitive spirit is what Team USA is all about, and as we get into international competition, that competitive spirit is what drives us.”

Before King competes, to be in control of her heat, she’s focused on psyching out her opponents, especially if she’s going against Russian rival Efimova. Whether she’s making extra noise, staring down other swimmers, asking them odd questions or pacing back and forth, the goal is to distract her competitors.

“Typically, when I’m racing Yulia, it’s a lot of just kind of staring at her and doing crazy things in the ready room,” King said. “I think staring at people is probably one of my favorite things to do.”

She said her staring freaks other swimmers out a bit and noted that “the showmanship of it all just kind of comes naturally” to her in the ready room or behind the blocks.

King also likes to be the last one to get up on the block before her races begin.

“That’s one of my I feel like kind of like my trademark things at this point,” she said. “I like I like to be in control of the heat, and I like everyone else to know they’re waiting for me. So that’s kind of one of my one of my go-tos.”

However, King said her efforts to psych out her opponents don’t impacter her own performances. When she gets up on the block to start a race, she said she’s “on autopilot” as her body takes over to churn out some of the fastest breaststroke times ever.

“If people are scared to race me, they’re not going to swim as fast,” King said. “I would definitely say [embracing a bad-guy mentality is] more male-dominated than female, but I’ve never really been one to follow the normal path.”

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A start-up swimming league wants to revolutionize the sport for athletes and fans

“It was really unlike anything I had participated in before,” 12-time Olympic medalist Natalie Coughlin said.

Almost nothing about the International Swimming League is typical for the sport.

Neon blue, pink and purple lights flash around an otherwise dark natatorium, backlit by a giant screen behind the blocks that announces the next event, complements swimmer introductions or adds an electric ambiance. It looks more like an EDM concert than a swim meet, especially considering there’s a DJ on deck. It’s clearly a show — the opposite of all-day competitions that can have ample and subdued down time with several minutes between events.

Swimmer introductions are delivered with a flair more comparable to WWE, and the athletes enter the pool deck together as teammates racing for points first, rather than individuals hoping to set a personal best time. Three dozen races are packed into two-hour sessions on back-to-back days — a typical meet can hit double-digit hours across several days — and when swimmers aren’t in the water, they’re engaging with fans. Between their own events, some of the best swimmers on the planet lead the crowd through cheers and chants, take photos and toss autographed swim caps up to the stands. The smaller the venue, the more intimate the interaction between the two groups is.

(ISL via LaPresse)

At the match at the University of Maryland, fans of the “home” team, the DC Trident, brought prop tridents to the pool, as the athletes had been doing all season, team general manager and four-time Olympic medalist Kaitlin Sandeno recalled. She loved that the tridents were catching on.

The ISL’s seven-match inaugural season opened in October and ends with the league final Friday and Saturday at a popup pool at Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino in Las Vegas. The opening season was designed to show how swimming can be a flashy and entertaining spectator sport, with the help of some serious star power. And although it’s still a young start-up, those involved hope the ISL can help grow swimming’s fan base beyond Olympic years and create a permanent audience — while also offering swimmers a paycheck.

“The lights, the smoke, the big TVs — it’s a lot of fun for me because that’s the part of swimming I love, not just the racing but the whole theatrics of it. I absolutely love it,” said Lilly King, a 22-year-old breaststroker who won two gold medals at the 2016 Rio Olympics and caught the world’s attention when she trash talked and wagged her finger at a rival swimmer. She’ll compete for the Cali Condors in Vegas.

“It was really unlike anything I had participated in before,” said Natalie Coughlin, a member of the DC Trident whose 12 Olympic medals tie the record for most won by an American woman across all sports.

The rosters of the eight teams feature more than 100 Olympians with swimmers who combined for 41 gold medals at the Rio Games, including Americans Katie Ledecky, Nathan Adrian and Caeleb Dressel. The first season featured approximately 75 percent of reigning Olympic and world champions, according to the league.

(Three swimmers, including Hungary’s Katinka Hosszú, did sue FINA, swimming’s global governing body, after it tried to prevent swimmers from joining the new league. FINA threatened their Olympic eligibility if they participated in unsanctioned events, like ISL matches, and the suit argued the governing body had an illegal monopoly on international competition. Ultimately, FINA relented and allowed swimmers to compete in independent events without punishment.)

The team-oriented ISL is unlike the more traditional atmospheres of the Toyota U.S. Open earlier this month, world championships or even the Olympics. And that’s the point.

Competing in an ISL event feels like a college dual meet, “just ramped up a little bit with the lights show and a DJ and really, really fast swimming,” said Dressel, a 23-year-old sprinter who won eight medals (six gold) and broke Michael Phelps’ 10-year-old 100-meter butterfly world record at the world championships in July. Based on how the league was pitched, the Cali Condors swimmer said the first season was exactly what he expected.

(ISL via LaPresse)

“I’ve been to a lot of swim meets in my life, and I can honestly say I’ve never been to one like this before,” Sandeno said. “It was just fast-paced, go-go-go action, excitement, entertainment …

“The production value of this is just next-level. It’s artistic but still competitive, and it’s just electrifying. I think the timeline of a two-hour swim meet shows you the pace of it is explosive. It’s one exciting race after the other, and there’s no real lull, which you come across a lot in your typical swim meets.”

The man (and money) behind the dream

Swimming is consistently one of the most popular Olympic sports, but just as that popularity peaks for a few weeks every four years, it plummets again for the other three years and 11 months. ISL founder Konstantin Grigorishin hopes to change that.

The Ukranian energy mogul, who had a net worth of $1.1 billion in 2015, according to Forbes, is bankrolling the league and has lofty and perhaps unrealistic goals for it. He said building the sport’s international audience is about giving swimmers a new platform through which to compete and earn a living and merging it with music and art as a form of entertainment. Expanding the audience could help swimmers make “real money,” he said.

“They can generate much more money than even they can imagine now,” Grigorishin said.

“They can generate more money than current, very successful American leagues potentially. But it’s a wait, not a very long wait, but they’ll have to spend some effort and time. But eventually, they can generate more money than the NBA or NFL. Maybe it’s really weird to hear this. You think that I’m mad, but we will see.”

The 2019 budget was $25 million with more than $4 million allocated for prize money — awarded equally for men and women — and profits also split 50-50 between the ISL and swimmers, according to the league. Grigorishin plans to invest more for the second season, as the league is expected to expand to 10 clubs with 27 matches between September 2020 and May 2021.

Currently, the four U.S. teams are the DC Trident, Cali Condors (San Francisco), LA Current and NY Breakers, while the four European teams are the London Roar, Energy Standard (Turkey), Aqua Centurions (Italy) and the Budapest-based Iron. Each team has a roster of up to 32 swimmers.

This season matches were held in Indianapolis, Naples, Texas, Budapest, Maryland and London. Four teams competed in each match (meaning each team appeared in three over the course of the season), and then two teams from each continent advance to this weekend’s championship final.

The LA Current, Cali Condors, Energy Standard and London Roar are the four teams competing to be the ISL’s first champions.

The Energy Standard club in London. (Fabio Ferrari /LaPresse via AP Images)

“The goal of this league is to be on TV and be able to create personalities where people can follow [swimmers] all the time, versus seeing them maybe once a year at world championships or once every four years if they’re watching the Olympics,” said Jason Lezak, a four-time Olympian with seven medals who serves as the general manager for the Cali Condors.

Though the league couldn’t coordinate “home” meets for most of its U.S.-based teams this season, it plans to in the future.

“And then you get into the local [aspect],” Lezak continued. “This is your local team, this is who you’re cheering for, and just like any other team, when a new player comes in, that’s your favorite player, that’s your favorite swimmer, and it’s going to be interesting as this league grows and expands.”

‘Everybody is ISLing’

Adrian, a 31-year-old three-time Olympian with eight medals, and Dressel were among those who said they didn’t need any convincing to participate in a start-up league because it complements their training schedule ahead of the 2020 Tokyo Olympic Games.

“I want it to be successful,” said Coughlin, the 37-year-old three-time Olympian who came out of her unofficial retirement to compete in the first season, thanks to a little push from Sandeno. “I owe so much to swimming, and I like to give back.”

King described joining as “a pretty easy decision” because the league offered a new chance to help grow the sport while racing against some of the best swimmers in the world less than a year out from the Olympics. Comparing times and placing against international competition is a “good benchmark” for Tokyo, she said.

And as more stars around the world joined the league for the inaugural season, it became a verb, as in “Everybody is ISLing,” Sandeno said.

However, the league has a strict anti-doping policy and prohibits anyone previously disqualified for doping from being on a roster.

“It was a huge movement within the swim community as a whole,” said Dressel, who is in the hunt for the ISL season MVP. “It’s an exciting league. It’s a new opportunity to exploit ourselves and maximize our potential, and it’s really fun, which is a huge plus.”

The extra cash part is critical, especially for the swimmers without monster sponsorship deals.

(Alfredo Falcone/LaPresse for ISL)

LA Current coach David Marsh — who was the women’s head coach for the 2016 Olympics and coached at Auburn from 1990 to 2007 — estimated it costs at least $30,000 annually for a swimmer train at an elite level “without compromise.”

So in the ISL this year, swimmers signed two contracts: One with the league for prize money and one with their respective teams for salaries. Each team had a 2019 salary cap of $25,000 per team, which Sandeno anticipates will increase with the new budget next season.

“[We] have a base salary, but what’s really paying the bills is how you place,” King said. “So if you’re swimming well, it’s definitely a supplement to our current income. The swimmers who don’t have huge endorsement deals or a suit deal are probably going to have to be working another job to have some other means of being supported.”

King is referring to the prize money, which is equal for men’s and women’s events.

Swimmers earn points for themselves and their teams based on finish — with first place getting nine and relays earning double — and prize money is correlated with points. For the best of the best, there is additional $5,000 bonus for the one MVP in each match.

Take Dressel, a versatile sprinter and the only swimmer to win multiple match MVP awards so far. At the ISL’s match at Maryland in November, he won all five of his individual events — including breaking the American record in the 50-meter butterfly — and helped his team win two relays and finish third in another. He earned 61.5 total points and $19,700 in prize money, plus the MVP bonus.

Dressel was also the MVP in Naples in October, and should he win his third match MVP award in Vegas, he’ll earn a $10,000 bonus.

“As [the ISL] progresses, there will be more money, and they [will] have that opportunity to make a living out of this,” Lezak said.

“Even if it’s not a living like we’re used to seeing in other professional sports, hopefully it can grow to that one day. But at least they can do this as their job and focus on swimming, and that way, they’re going to be able to reach their highest potential and not have to sacrifice other things.”

‘An absolute blast’

To build a larger audience beyond the swimming world and Olympics fans, the league redesigned the competition, in addition to adding theatrics. Unlike typical meets that can last all day with several minutes between events sometimes, the ISL is fast-paced with an emphasis on earning points for your team versus being primarily focused on individual times.

“This is like what I think a lot of us see as the possibility for swimming’s future,” Adrian said. “This is swimming’s attempt at capturing that team fight and the team game of the sport. …

“Swimming with a team is an absolute blast, and I think that becomes really apparent as you watch the meets and the reactions and emotions.”

There are 37 events shoved into two-hour sessions across two days, and to keep the pace up, no event is longer than 400 meters. Additionally, they compete in a 25-meter pool, rather than 50 meters like at the Olympics, which also makes the times faster.

And then there are the skins races: 50-meter freestyle events in back-to-back-to-back elimination rounds on three-minute intervals, starting with eight swimmers and shrinking to four and down to the final two swimming off for the win.

“The skin races were insane!” Sandeno said.

“The 50 free skin is the most exciting thing I’ve ever witnessed. And that being the conclusion [of individual events] on the final day I just think is the bow on top. People leave the meet like, ‘Wow!’ And the skins determined a lot of the placing. It was intense just seeing people explode.”

Is a start-up swimming league sustainable?

There’s clearly an audience for a professional swimming league like this, but, as expected for a start-up, it’s a particularly small one.

Although the ISL says it’s averaging 88 percent capacity this season, the crowds aren’t substantial compared with other professional sports and are relative to the size of the venue. The matches in the suburbs of Washington, D.C. and Dallas sold out with 1,000 fans each day, with tickets ranging from $20 to $60. The Naples match was near-capacity with 1,600 fans, and Budapest had more than 2,000 people in attendance each day, according to the league. Single-session tickets for the Las Vegas final start at $42.

And if fans aren’t watching in person, there are 10 international broadcasting partners offering live and tape-delayed matches. In North America, ESPN3 and CBC stream the matches, and they’re available in Europe and Asia through Eurosport. The BBC also provided coverage of the London match. The ISL declined to share viewership data from the season.

Grigorishin said that ahead of the first season, it was particularly challenging to sell a product that didn’t exist. He’s prepared to subsidize the league again for next season, but his goal is to sell enough in media rights and corporate sponsorship to ultimately break even. He also said he already has interest from potential sponsors for next season, although he would not reveal them.

As the league slowly grows, Lezak said he hopes it will become easier to attract sponsors (there were none this year). Plus, the 2020 season, set to begin in September, should be able to piggyback off the Olympics, when the sport’s popularity briefly peaks again.

If the ISL takes off, Sandeno speculated about some swimmers possibly forgoing college if they could make a living immediately simply by competing.

“If it goes the way they’re planning, it could potentially completely restructure the sport,” King said.

“It’s definitely a risk, but it’s been well done and they have a vision for it and a plan for what’s going to happen in the future. So if you’re a gazillionaire and want to invest in Olympic athletes, I’m all down for that.”

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