Reports: Saints QB Taysom Hill managing plantar fascia injury

Reports: Saints QB Taysom Hill managing plantar fascia injury

Ouch. While Taysom Hill’s foot injury hasn’t kept him out of practice lately, it’s been severe enough to keep him from starting ahead of Trevor Siemian or seeing any of the usual gadget plays the New Orleans Saints like to draw up for him. And as first reported by NewOrleans.Football’s Nick Underhill (and confirmed Monday by the Times-Picayune | Advocate’s Jeff Duncan), Hill is dealing with a plantar fascia injury.

That may sound familiar: it’s the same injury that slowed down Drew Brees in 2021 (among other issues) and 2015, with former Saints tight end Jimmy Graham also limited by a partially-torn plantar fascia back in 2013. While these injuries don’t always require surgery, they can take six months or longer to fully recover from. It’s a painful condition inflaming the heel and forefoot and it makes sense that this is the reason Hill has been limited to a spectator in games.

What still doesn’t add up is that the Saints are sidelining Hill because of this injury but are fully prepared for him to play an entire game if, hypothetically, Siemian were to be injured on the first snap. They’ve made rookie draft pick Ian Book a healthy scratch the last two weeks with Hill watching the game without his helmet on as the only other active quarterback.

If something were to happen to Siemian and force Hill into a game for three quarters, would he just hand the ball off to someone else every play? What’s the logic here?

Hopefully Hill can gut it out to get on the field soon. The Saints have lost all four games Siemian has started since replacing Jameis Winston, and while a slight uptick in quarterback play won’t fix all their problems it sure would help. Their window to reaching the playoffs is getting slimmer by the week. A fifth consecutive loss to the Dallas Cowboys on Thursday night would be the longest losing streak of Sean Payton’s tenure. Hopefully the Saints have a plan to reverse this course.

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Going under the hood on Taysom Hill’s complicated contract extension

Taysom Hill’s contract extension created a lot of confusion. Now that its specifics have been reported, we’ve got answers about what it means now and for the future:

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Taysom Hill’s contract extension with the New Orleans Saints created a lot of confusion on social media, but we’ve got answers on what it means now and for the future after details from the deal were reported. NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport first shared details of Hill’s contract, which were confirmed by Pro Football Talk’s Mike Florio.

There aren’t any immediate changes in 2021. Hill’s current-year salary cap hit was already $7.259 million, with most of that coming from the last time he restructured his deal with the Saints. The real changes kick in next year, so we’ll look at each year of his contract and possible earnings he can gain through incentives:

Sean Payton is talking out of both sides of his mouth when it comes to Taysom Hill

Saints coach Sean Payton contradicted himself on Taysom Hill, claiming an injury that hasn’t kept Hill out of practice is too severe for him to get into a game

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Things aren’t adding up whenever Sean Payton has had to discuss the New Orleans Saints depth chart at quarterback. Trevor Siemian has started a series of games in relief of the injured Jameis Winston, with Taysom Hill activated for game days while rookie draft pick Ian Book was a healthy scratch. It made sense to stick with Siemian once Hill missed time with a concussion and foot injury, but he’s remained sidelined after fully participating in practice (per the official, NFL-required injury report) and Book has remained in sweatpants.

Hill started four games last season and pushed Winston for the starting gig all summer, so the expectation was that Hill would start once Winston’s season ended. That’s what Saints quarterbacks coach Ronald Curry told the Athletic’s Katherine Terrell earlier in November, saying: “We knew that we needed a veteran QB that could go in, get us out of a game, and the following week would probably be Taysom’s show. That was the plan coming in.”

But that plan hasn’t been executed. Now that the Saints have hit a wall after injuries decimated the roster. They’ve squandered a 5-2 start and are struggling to keep afloat at 5-6 with another prime-time game against a playoff contender coming up next. Siemian has gotten worse each week and the whole world knows now that he isn’t a threat to any defense with his current supporting cast. And Payton hasn’t done anything to satisfactorily explain why Hill has remained sidelined, leaning on the vague foot injury that hasn’t been reflected on the injury report.

“We felt Taysom could definitely be the backup if we needed him to be, and we feel strongly about how Ian is doing. But obviously Taysom is further along than that, and that was an easy decision,” Payton said to Terrell after the Saints ruined Thanksgiving for a lot of fans in their 31-6 loss last Thursday. Most teams would consider a quarterback change after that performance (if not at some point during it), but Payton has continued to shy away from putting Hill back under center, claiming Hill’s foot injury has limited him too much in practice to be the starter.

Payton suggesting Hill is healthy enough to be the backup in a game — where, hypothetically, Siemian could be injured on the first snap and force Hill into playing a full game — but he’s not healthy enough to start or play in any other role is bunk. It doesn’t check out. If Hill is well enough to be the only other active quarterback on game days, with Book inactive, then the Saints are explicitly acknowledging that Hill is healthy enough to play. If that weren’t the case then Book would have his helmet on, and the Saints shouldn’t be listing Hill as a full participant in practice every day.

So there’s little reason Hill shouldn’t be ready to replace Siemian in the starting lineup. There’s no way Hill could be worse; he could go out there on a bum foot and throw five interceptions and achieve the same result Siemian did last week. At least it might be more entertaining. But Payton isn’t only doubling down on his contradictory stance. He’s also playing games with the media in his NFL-required conference calls:

“This is gonna be one of those weeks where I know (the media) doing your job are gonna want to discuss the injuries and who’s healthy and you’re gonna want to discuss the quarterback,” Payton told ESPN’s Mike Triplett, adding, “And quite honestly and respectfully I’m not gonna discuss any of it.”

It make sense that Payton is frustrated. He’s lost four games in a row and just took the worst loss his team has seen in years — in front of a national audience, very likely dooming their season. His offense looks more inept than it ever has in his tenure, with years of neglectful drafting catching up to them and leaving little to work with once stars like Alvin Kamara and Michael Thomas became unavailable.

But this is an act that wears thin awful quick. If the Saints were winning games and Payton wanted withhold specifics on injuries and his depth chart structure as a competitive advantage, fine. That’s easy to laugh off when the team is successful and on top of their division four years in a row. However, that’s tough to accept from someone whose team is in shambles and who begins every post-loss press conference with some cliched line about accountability and that “it needs to start with me.” That smacks of the talk that filled all those 7-9 seasons Payton put together in the not-too-distant past.

When Payton treats this aspect of his job and the reporters doing their jobs so blithely, he’s exposing how empty those words are and how little accountability he’s actually taking on. If he’s not going to give a serious answer about his decision to not make a change at quarterback or even entertain the prospect of it, then what are we here for?

And the optics on that decision are terrible given the whopping $40 million contract extension the Saints inexplicably signed with Hill last week. Maybe it was intended as an olive branch between Payton and his favorite player, who suffered a career-threatening concussion earlier this season while running a route instead of playing under center. Either way it was the kind of move that could have waited until the offseason, when the free agent market could have proven how badly the Saints overvalue Hill compared to the rest of the NFL. With every snap Hill watches from the sidelines under this new big-money deal, it’s only going to become more clear that Payton’s fascination with the player is greater in theory than in application.

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Taysom Hill healthy enough to be active, but not well enough to replace horrid Trevor Siemian

How is Taysom Hill healthy enough to be the only other active quarterback, but not well enough to replace a horrid Trevor Siemian?

Riddle me this: how is Taysom Hill’s foot too badly injured for him to start ahead of the very bad Trevor Siemian, but he’s also well enough to be ready to play a full game at a moment’s notice as Siemian’s backup in case the starter gets injured? Make it make sense.

Sean Payton offered a brief explanation after the game, which was total nonsense: “We knew he wasn’t going to be able to play quarterback this week (because of his foot injury).”

Hill was listed as a full participant in practice every day on the injury report. If his foot injury is this severe he needs to be resting up on injured reserve and rookie draft pick Ian Book needs to be preparing to go into games as the backup. How can they say Hill is fully participating in practice on Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday and then after a loss on Thursday say that they knew all along he wasn’t healthy enough to play? It doesn’t track.

Siemian has been terrible. He was competent enough early on to fill in for the injured Jameis Winston, but once his supporting cast took a couple losses his limitations were exposed to every other team in the league. He went 17-of-29 against Buffalo for a meager 163 passing yards, 5.6 yards per attempt, taking a pair of bad sacks and lobbing a foolish interception. Hill could rest his injured foot on a motorized scooter and at least match that.

Maybe things will be different next week. The Saints have a full seven days to rest up and prepare for their next home game with the Dallas Cowboys. But right now we’ve got a frustrating situation with more than just a wasted Thanksgiving on the line — this entire season is about to go down the drain if Payton can’t get his team trending in a positive direction. There’s only six games left to figure out their flaws.

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Taysom Hill signs another Saints contract extension, earns $22.5M in guarantees

Taysom Hill signs another Saints contract extension, earns $22.5M in guarantees

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Huh. ESPN’s Adam Schefter reported Monday that the New Orleans Saints signed a four-year contract extension with Taysom Hill that brings in $22.5 million in guarantees with a lot of incentives if he wins — and holds onto — their starting quarterback job in the near future. At its base value the contract is valued at $40 million, with escalators pushing its maximum value up to $95 million.

Hill was scheduled to become a free agent in March 2022, leaving an $8.9 million cap hit in dead money on the Saints’ books if he signed with another team. This deal will allow them to keep him on the roster and spread out the cap accounting. So if he’s going to remain in his current role as a hybrid tight end-receiver while playing heavy minutes on special teams, he’ll pull in $10 million per year.

If Hill wins the starting quarterback job and plays well enough to stay on top of the depth chart, he can earn up to $23.75 million per year, which is what mid-tier starters are making these days. But Hill hasn’t been able to hold onto the starting job before, so it’s more likely he’ll continue in his versatile role — when healthy. A recent foot injury limited him to the backup job behind Trevor Siemian in Week 11’s loss to the Philadelphia Eagles.

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Sean Payton mum on Taysom Hill’s minimized role vs. Eagles

Sean Payton mum on Taysom Hill’s minimized role vs. Eagles

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Trevor Siemian struggled in his third start as the New Orleans Saints’ top quarterback, completing 22 of his 40 pass attempts for 214 yards, mostly in garbage time once the Philadelphia Eagles took a big lead. He threw nearly as many interceptions (2) as touchdown passes (3) and struggled to find open receivers throughout the afternoon.

So his ugly performance naturally drew attention to Taysom Hill, who competed with Jameis Winston for the starting job over the summer. But Hill missed most of a month earlier this season to a concussion. And he suffered a foot injury not long after his return which kept him out of practice until the Friday before this Eagles game, when he participated on a limited basis.

And while the Saints made Hill their only other active quarterback against Philadelphia, he never even put on his helmet. He spent the day as an observer from the sidelines wearing a cap and headset with inactive rookie Ian Book, a healthy scratch, on standby in sweatpants. Hill never got in the game, neither in his versatile pass-catching role nor as a passer himself, and Sean Payton said afterwards that was the plan.

“He was the backup quarterback, really, in the event we needed him. We were lucky to have him up just in that role,” Payton said in his postgame press conference. When asked what the plan may have been if Hill were healthy, he demurred: “I don’t want to speculate. We were able to get him to move around enough.”

Still, it looks like an odd decision. So Hill isn’t healthy enough to start outright or go run a route, but he’s well enough to be rushed into the game if Siemian is injured? That’s tough to square. The Saints don’t appear to want Book to get on the field under any circumstances by putting Hill in front of him.

Even with Siemian struggling and Hill’s skills set sharing little overlap with either of the two other quarterbacks, this is the closest thing you’ll see to a redshirt year in the NFL. It’s perplexing and makes you wonder if they’re going to bring in a fourth passer — maybe Clayton Thorson, who tried out last week.

We’ll see how the plan develops pretty soon. New Orleans is dealing with a quick turnaround with the Buffalo Bills visiting on Thursday night. Ineffective as Siemian has been with a weaker-than-expected supporting cast. there doesn’t appear to be much interest in replacing him with Hill or Book as the Saints’ starting quarterback.

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How Taysom Hill’s role has changed since returning from a dangerous concussion

The Saints don’t appear interested in naming Taysom Hill their starting quarterback. How his position-less role has changed after a dangerous early-season concussion:

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It’s impossible to separate how the New Orleans Saints are deploying Taysom Hill right now from the three weeks he spent recovering from a nasty concussion. He’s been involved on 50 plays since returning in these last two weeks, 12 of them coming on special teams — mostly in punt coverage; his 4 snaps with the punt return unit last week were his first this season. He was the player sent in to try and block a punt, a job normally handed off to linebacker Andrew Dowell, who was inactive.

So let’s focus on his responsibilities on offense, where Hill has worked as a receiver, runner, occasional passer, and blocker on both running and passing downs. The below chart shows the breakdown in Weeks 1 through 5 against Weeks 9 and 10 (all positional charting data comes from Pro Football Focus), but keep in mind we’re comparing a 109-snap sample size against just 38 plays:

As we can see, the Saints have cut down on Hill’s snaps as an inline tight end and fullback or halfback in the backfield, but he’s still getting reps as a conventional quarterback at a similar rate. And he’s seen more opportunities as a receiver either in the slot or lined up outside. That’s putting him in fewer high-contact situations as a blocker and hopefully protecting him from another concussion.

But it’s not a perfect strategy. After all, Hill was injured in the first place while running a route and diving to make a catch. From the Saints’ perspective, he’s one of their most dynamic playmakers, and if he’s healthy they want him on the field. It’s just tough to balance that with concerns for his health — which will extend well beyond his athletic prime and playing career, as our Maddy Hudak discussed last week. If Hill isn’t going to start under center, the Saints are rationalizing, they can still keep him involved in the offense without unnecessarily putting him in harm’s way.

And they do need his help. Hill has been one of the Saints’ best weapons on critical downs in recent years. Here are his first down conversion stats as a passer, runner, and receiver in 2021:

  • Passing: 4 first downs on 8 pass attempts (6 completions), 50%
  • Rushing: 11 first downs on 20 carries, 55%
  • Receiving: 4 first downs on 6 targets (4 receptions), 66%

That’s another small sample size but it extends to Hill’s entire career, where he’s converted a first down on 39% of pass attempts, 41% of rushing attempts, and 47% of his targets as a receiver. Compare that to the first down conversion rates the Saints are posting as a team this year on runs (24%) and passes (36%) and you can see why Sean Payton continues to keep Hill involved.

But as we’ve seen: it’s a tough act to balance. Hill’s durability issues (Sean Payton noted that he got “nicked up” against the Titans) and mixed results as a starter last season could make the Saints hesitate to start him again. He’s taken a sack on 10.1% of his dropbacks, which is bad enough on its own before you consider that 2.8% of his pass attempts have been intercepted or that he’s fumbled on 3.2% of his total touches. For context, here are how those rates compare to Jameis Winston and Trevor Siemian’s career numbers:

  • Interception rate: Winston 3.3%, Hill 2.8%, Siemian 2.5%
  • Fumble rate: Hill 3.2%, Winston 1.7%, Siemian 1.1%
  • Sack rate: Hill 10.1%, Siemian 7.1%, Winston 6.3%

So between Hill’s propensity for negative plays and his injury history, it’s up to Payton and the Saints to figure out how heavily he should be involved in the offense despite the potential upsides. They could absolutely throw us all a curve ball and announce him as the starter some time this season, but for now it looks like Payton wants to more carefully curate when Hill is getting into the game and what exactly his responsibilities will be. Hopefully it works out for the best.

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Taysom Hill’s concussion in Week 5 may still be shaping Saints’ decisions

Taysom Hill’s concussion in Week 5 may still be shaping Saints’ decisions, via @MaddyHudak_94:

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The New Orleans Saints coach Sean Payton announced Friday that he will be starting Trevor Siemian this weekend against the Tennessee Titans. Siemian was also the starter last week against the Atlanta Falcons in favor of Taysom Hill, and the consequent loss was surrounded by speculation at quarterback and the usage of Hill, or lack thereof.

It’s well known that Hill’s edge lies in his running abilities; the news that Alvin Kamara was ruled out of Sunday’s game in Tennessee with a knee injury made a sincere case for calling Hill’s number under center. But without further specifics we likely won’t be made aware of involved in the decision, there’s no analysis of this choice that isn’t pure speculation.

Still, as someone familiar with concussions and traumatic brain injuries, here’s insight on what could be potentially afflicting Hill. More specifically, how the road to recovery is highly complex for someone playing quarterback. He was concussed in the Saints’ Week 5 game with the Washington Football Team and missed the next two games and their bye week before he could return to practice, signifying a serious brain injury.

Concussions always range in severity from mild to very serious and permanent traumatic brain injuries. Recovery time and duration of symptoms are unfortunately not linear to the seriousness of injury; post-concussion syndrome and other lasting effects can afflict even the mildest case.

It can be dependent on the part of the brain you hit. The frontal lobe controls your thinking and processing, memory, behavior and moment – an injury can impede judgement, concentration, problem solving, and loss of focus. The parietal lobe helps us know our left from right, reading, and understanding special relationships – an injury can make spatial perception quite difficult. The occipital lobe gives us sight and vision – an injury here leads to blind spots and blurred vision. Last, the temporal lobe handles learning, memory and organization – an injury can cause problems with short and long-term memory and processing. The cerebellum is at the bottom of the back of our heads and that handles balance and coordination.

These are problems that make everyday life a struggle for concussed people, let alone professional athletes competing at the highest level. The most common symptoms after a concussion (from mild to severe) are headaches, trouble with vision and blurred spots, dizziness and general irritability. Recovery from a concussion typically requires a combination of rest and vestibular therapy to restore functions of vision and physical balance, both uniquely intertwined in our vestibular system.

In cases involving post-concussion syndrome, a phenomena that leads to long-lasting symptoms regardless of severity, longer term vestibular therapy can be required. More often than not, brain injuries can deeply affect balance, coordination and visual/spatial processing. Our sensory system that helps us function everyday processes information about motion, head positioning, and orientation in order for us to have balance and stability.

Following a concussion, the vestibular system usually isn’t working correctly; our brains process info from innumerable sources at once to process something as simple as balance. While the occipital lobe controls balance, for example, an injury to the parietal lobe or cerebellum can compound that vision disorder to feel similar to vertigo.

In the case of a quarterback, they’re required to process spatial information in a complex and immediate manner. From reading the defensive alignment to calling the corresponding protection calls, handling the timing of the snap and the right-hand placement to catch it, to reading the field as it unfolds in mere seconds, and the timing of the ball placement in stride with the receiver route to place the ball where intended. One of these things is off and the rest is a domino effect. Oftentimes, when the vestibular system is affected, our brains will overcompensate by relying on visual cues. This can compound symptoms to cause blurred vision and blind spots, headaches, mental fogginess and fatigue.

The decision-making and accuracy required by a quarterback is intrinsically tied to our brain functions in tandem. Any brain fog or cognitive slowing – typical for all concussions in short-term, can cause the house of cards to fall down entirely. A quarterback may have slowed or delayed processing of the field; their pocket awareness can collapse and timing of throws off entirely.

For a player like Taysom who has notably struggled with his ability to read the field, process those reads, awareness of the pocket collapsing and his positioning, and seemingly not knowing when to take off, these issues magnify ten-fold in concussion recovery. Even more so when you consider the edge of his mobility. If his spatial awareness and balance are off even a little, that makes running not just untimely, but potentially dangerous. In light of that, it puts him back at pure pocket passer with no edge and exponentially more pressure on his cognitive abilities.

In knowledge that he remained in concussion protocol for three weeks with no practice until just last Thursday prior to the Falcons game, Hill’s account of memory loss post-hit implies higher severity. And concussions are unfortunately the most unpredictable injury there is, with no true correlation to recovery timetables. If Hill’s concussion indeed played a case in the quarterback decision, it’s quite plain to see why. By limiting his snap count and starting Siemian under center, they’re able to offer him a greater degree of protection against re-injury.

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Taysom Hill says he has a 45-minute memory gap after scary concussion

Taysom Hill says he has a 45-minute memory gap after scary concussion

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One of the toughest extended absences the New Orleans Saints have had to contend with this season was a weekslong process in which Taysom Hill navigated concussion protocol, having taken a shot to his helmet from Washington Football Team cornerback William Jackson III back on Oct. 10. It took 24 days, including the Saints’ bye week, for Hill to recover and return to practice, and Jackson avoided both an ejection and fine for the hit.

Hill took enough punishment for both of them. He told FOX 8 New Orleans’ Sean Fazende that he has experienced a 45-minute gap in his memory following that hit, in which he was helped to his feet and onto a trainer’s cart so he could be evaluated away from the field. Jackson’s hit put Hill out of action through the Saints’ next two games.

After the game Jackson said in his defense that he was “clearly” going for the ball, and the NFL bought that excuse. It’s tough to see how that could be true from how he tucked his arms into his chest and lowered his shoulder pad into Hill’s facemask, but that’s all above my pay grade.

Hopefully Hill is healthy and whole and ready to help his team in their next road game. They’re flying out to face the Tennessee Titans this week without superstar running back Alvin Kamara or All-Pro left tackle Terron Armstead, and they could really use the physical brand of football Hill is known for. We’ll keep fingers crossed that he isn’t subjected to any more borderline-illegal hits.

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Remember that time Taysom Hill beat the Falcons twice in three weeks?

Remember that time Taysom Hill beat the Falcons twice in three weeks?

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We won’t know if Taysom Hill has cleared concussion protocol until the New Orleans Saints injury report updates Wednesday afternoon, but that’s not going to stop us from running the hits. It’s Atlanta Falcons Hate Week.

And what better way to ring it in than reminiscing about that time Hill quarterbacked the Saints to two wins over the Falcons for a season sweep — in just two weeks? With Drew Brees out of action, Hill got the starting nod against Atlanta in Week 11 last year to make his first career start in the NFL.

Hill completed 18 of his 23 pass attempts for 233 passing yards, taking three sacks while running 10 times for 49 rushing yards and a pair of critical second-half touchdown carries in the Saints’ 24-9 victory. The Saints defense did their jobs against Matt Ryan and the Falcons offense, but the Atlanta defense didn’t have answers for Hill.

But we were assured things would go differently in the rematch two weeks later. Hill was too limited to run a full playbook or challenge a real NFL defense after they had time to study the tape, Falcons fans claimed. With more time to prepare, we were assured, Hill wouldn’t experience anything close to his prior success.

They were right. When the Saints visited Atlanta in Week 13 they were held to just 21 points, coming up short by a whole field goal against their score in the first meeting. Saints fans drove and flew home to New Orleans laughing about their team’s 21-16 road win, in which Hill went 27-of-37 for 232 passing yards, throwing two touchdown passes. He took two sacks and ran 14 times for 83 rushing yards.

Fumbles were a problem, sure (he also lost one in the first Falcons game), with Hill putting the ball on the turf three times. But the sorry Falcons defense only recovered one of those turnovers. It led to their sole touchdown in the rematch. Looks like they should have spent more time in the film room.

Maybe Hill starts again on Sunday when the dirty birds visit the Caesars Superdome. That won’t even be considered until he’s recovered from a serious brain injury that’s kept him sidelined for most of October. If he is active, it’s more likely he’ll split time under center with Trevor Siemian. But whatever role Hill ends up with, it sure looks like the Falcons won’t be ready for him.

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